1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:05,005 --> 00:00:09,510 * MTV. * 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:10,678 --> 00:00:12,980 (needle crackling on record) 5 00:00:16,517 --> 00:00:18,586 (tonearm clicking) 6 00:00:29,063 --> 00:00:30,698 TOM PETTY: Who is it? 7 00:00:30,798 --> 00:00:33,134 Room service. Can we clean the room, please? 8 00:00:34,235 --> 00:00:36,870 -What? -Can we please clean the room, please? 9 00:00:37,004 --> 00:00:40,708 -Get out of here. -Please, can we please cl-clean your room? 10 00:00:40,808 --> 00:00:42,676 Get out of here. 11 00:00:44,978 --> 00:00:46,380 Excuse me, sir. 12 00:00:48,416 --> 00:00:50,418 (door opens) 13 00:00:50,551 --> 00:00:53,254 TOM: Get the fuck out of here! 14 00:00:54,021 --> 00:00:55,556 Kind of like going for wild bear. 15 00:00:55,656 --> 00:00:57,991 -(band playing "Refugee") -(crowd cheering) 16 00:01:13,207 --> 00:01:15,243 * We got something, we both know it * 17 00:01:15,343 --> 00:01:18,712 * We don't talk too much about it * 18 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:24,551 * Ain't no real big secret all the same * 19 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:27,888 * Somehow we get around it * 20 00:01:29,523 --> 00:01:30,924 * Listen * 21 00:01:31,024 --> 00:01:34,628 * It don't really matter to me, baby * 22 00:01:34,728 --> 00:01:37,365 * You believe what you want to believe * 23 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:42,902 * You see, you don't have to live like a refugee * 24 00:01:42,970 --> 00:01:47,208 * Don't have to live like a refugee * 25 00:01:47,275 --> 00:01:48,876 * Somewhere, somehow * 26 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:52,646 * Somebody must've kicked you around some * 27 00:01:55,449 --> 00:01:58,085 * Tell me why you wanna lay there * 28 00:01:58,186 --> 00:02:01,021 * And revel in your abandon * 29 00:02:03,191 --> 00:02:04,758 * Listen * 30 00:02:04,858 --> 00:02:08,461 * It don't make no difference to me, honey * 31 00:02:08,562 --> 00:02:11,399 * Everybody's had to fight to be free * 32 00:02:11,465 --> 00:02:16,103 * You see, you don't have to live like a refugee * 33 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:19,907 * Don't have to live like a refugee * 34 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:24,445 * No, you don't have to live like a refugee * 35 00:02:24,512 --> 00:02:26,914 * Don't have to live like a refugee * 36 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:28,582 * No, no, whoa! * 37 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:31,151 (electric guitar solo playing) 38 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:03,183 * * 39 00:03:28,542 --> 00:03:30,811 (tempo slows, band playing flourish) 40 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:47,895 (song ends) 41 00:03:47,995 --> 00:03:49,797 (crowd cheering) 42 00:03:51,565 --> 00:03:54,868 WOMAN (over speaker): Cameron, bring ABTR H phase a little bit to the right. 43 00:03:54,968 --> 00:03:56,704 I thought we were gonna ABO that sync 44 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:58,038 -like on the Norm Crosby... -MAN: Hey, what are you doing? 45 00:03:58,138 --> 00:03:59,540 What do you mean what am I doing? 46 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,074 My name is Cameron Crowe. 47 00:04:01,208 --> 00:04:03,243 I've been writing about music for the last ten years, 48 00:04:03,344 --> 00:04:04,678 and I've had a chance to interview 49 00:04:04,745 --> 00:04:07,415 a lot of the legendary figures in rock and roll. 50 00:04:07,515 --> 00:04:10,050 -But for the first time... -Cameron, Stan Lynch is on the phone. 51 00:04:10,117 --> 00:04:11,719 Could you please take a message? I'm busy. 52 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:13,587 -Okay. -For the first time, 53 00:04:13,687 --> 00:04:16,055 I can take you with me for a video profile, 54 00:04:16,123 --> 00:04:19,059 and we're going to be taking a rare behind-the-scenes look 55 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:21,995 at one of the most important bands around: Tom... 56 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:24,532 Cameron? Stan says to cut this intro out. 57 00:04:24,598 --> 00:04:26,734 No one wants to see this kind of thing. 58 00:04:26,834 --> 00:04:27,968 I got to go. 59 00:04:29,303 --> 00:04:32,773 CROWE: Well, Tom, when we first decided to do this interview, 60 00:04:32,873 --> 00:04:34,475 you said you wanted to go cruising 61 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:38,946 around the streets of Los Angeles in a limo. 62 00:04:39,046 --> 00:04:40,614 Why a limo? 63 00:04:41,449 --> 00:04:42,883 TOM: Well, I like limos, 64 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:45,386 'cause I can be in any state I want 65 00:04:45,453 --> 00:04:47,721 and not have to worry about driving. 66 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:52,393 It's a pretty, you know, obnoxious way to travel around. 67 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:54,628 And I don't have to ride in a... 68 00:04:54,728 --> 00:04:57,130 in an old Ford 69 00:04:57,230 --> 00:05:01,301 to convince myself that I'm of the street. 70 00:05:01,402 --> 00:05:03,971 You know, I know I'm of the street. (laughs) 71 00:05:04,071 --> 00:05:07,240 Our guest has been described as an authentic, 72 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:10,678 all-American rock and roll hero, which I'm sure... 73 00:05:10,778 --> 00:05:13,046 -(crowd cheering) -(man clears throat) 74 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:18,486 I'm sure nobody here would argue with. 75 00:05:18,586 --> 00:05:21,121 He, uh, he does not normally do things like this or interviews 76 00:05:21,188 --> 00:05:23,256 because he doesn't like them, which is one of the reasons why 77 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,859 we're especially pleased he agreed to be our guest today. 78 00:05:25,993 --> 00:05:27,828 Please welcome Mr. Tom Petty. 79 00:05:27,928 --> 00:05:30,163 (crowd cheering) 80 00:05:35,769 --> 00:05:37,471 I'd say, "Why? 81 00:05:37,571 --> 00:05:40,941 What am I gonna do, go give a lecture at college?" 82 00:05:41,008 --> 00:05:44,412 Like that was the ultimate hoot, as far as... 83 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:46,880 And he said, "No, I think it'd be great." 84 00:05:47,014 --> 00:05:48,549 I said, "No, I don't want to do it." 85 00:05:48,649 --> 00:05:50,283 MAN: How's it going, Tom? 86 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,652 (chuckles) Can't complain. 87 00:05:51,719 --> 00:05:53,654 First off here, I just want to say that 88 00:05:53,721 --> 00:05:57,357 I hope you keep pumping out that good kick-ass rock and roll. 89 00:05:57,457 --> 00:05:58,692 It helps a lot. 90 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:01,562 I myself am involved with a band right now, 91 00:06:01,662 --> 00:06:05,065 and, um, we spent about two and a half hours one night 92 00:06:05,198 --> 00:06:07,668 trying to figure out on "American Girl" 93 00:06:07,735 --> 00:06:09,803 your lyrics in the second verse there. 94 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,873 -We had a hard time. -(laughter) 95 00:06:14,241 --> 00:06:16,510 Well, what you do is you just don't worry about it, 96 00:06:16,577 --> 00:06:18,011 -and you kind of... (laughs) -(laughter) 97 00:06:18,111 --> 00:06:19,713 -Y-You put a... -That's the way we're doing it. 98 00:06:19,813 --> 00:06:22,082 Y-You get a fork full of food and just sing, and... 99 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:26,053 -(laughter, applause) -um, it'll sound the same. 100 00:06:27,287 --> 00:06:29,590 What-what do you want to know? You want to know the lyrics? 101 00:06:29,723 --> 00:06:31,391 -Uh, I... -Well, it's-- Yeah. It's just been-- 102 00:06:31,525 --> 00:06:33,427 You know, I've been losing sleep over it a little bit. 103 00:06:33,527 --> 00:06:34,995 (laughter) 104 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:36,664 All right, what part you want to know? 105 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:38,699 (laughter) 106 00:06:38,766 --> 00:06:42,102 Well, when you start off, "Well, it was kind of cold that night." 107 00:06:42,235 --> 00:06:44,605 -"She..." -"She stood alone." 108 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,940 -"On her balcony." -Oh, okay. 109 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:49,810 "She could hear the waves roll by." 110 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:53,113 No, "She could hear the cars roll by 111 00:06:53,213 --> 00:06:57,250 out on 441 like waves crashing on a beach." 112 00:06:57,384 --> 00:06:58,786 By any chance, would 441-- 113 00:06:58,886 --> 00:07:00,087 would that be a highway somewhere in Florida? 114 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:02,222 Yeah. Runs right through Florida. 115 00:07:02,289 --> 00:07:04,692 CROWE: Petty was born in Gainesville, Florida, 116 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:06,727 and brought up in a typical working-class family. 117 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:08,696 But Gainesville was known more for alligators 118 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:11,031 than its music scene, and Petty left early 119 00:07:11,098 --> 00:07:12,733 to find his success in L.A. 120 00:07:12,833 --> 00:07:16,269 He returned home in 1981 a hero. 121 00:07:16,403 --> 00:07:19,239 MAN: We're fortunate, in this case, 122 00:07:19,339 --> 00:07:22,375 that not only is, uh, Tom Petty 123 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:25,445 a Gainesville boy 124 00:07:25,579 --> 00:07:30,250 but also that he is of good moral character. 125 00:07:30,317 --> 00:07:32,553 -And... -(laughter) 126 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:38,258 I'm very happy today to present him 127 00:07:38,358 --> 00:07:40,494 with the key to the city of Gainesville. 128 00:07:40,594 --> 00:07:42,796 (cheering, applause) 129 00:07:47,968 --> 00:07:49,436 (cheering) 130 00:07:49,503 --> 00:07:51,772 -MAN: Show us the key, Tom. -(indistinct chatter) 131 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:53,774 -All right. -E flat. 132 00:07:53,874 --> 00:07:56,409 -E flat. -(laughter) 133 00:07:57,778 --> 00:07:59,947 TOM: Yeah, it's funny that, you know, when you're there 134 00:08:00,047 --> 00:08:01,649 and kind of going to juvenile court 135 00:08:01,782 --> 00:08:04,284 and all the things that happened to us there, 136 00:08:04,351 --> 00:08:06,687 and you-- and then you come back and get the key to the city, 137 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:10,691 you-you have to take it with a pinch of salt. 138 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:13,927 But, I mean, I thought they were very nice to us. 139 00:08:13,994 --> 00:08:16,864 CROWE: Petty's life changed when he met Elvis Presley 140 00:08:16,964 --> 00:08:18,198 at the Florida location of 141 00:08:18,298 --> 00:08:20,100 Elvis's movie Follow That Dream. 142 00:08:20,167 --> 00:08:22,736 The next day, Petty traded his favorite slingshot 143 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:24,872 for a stack of Elvis 45s. 144 00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:26,640 He would never be the same. 145 00:08:26,707 --> 00:08:28,308 TOM: It was just like, once the music got 146 00:08:28,408 --> 00:08:30,510 into my-my body-- or, like, I have a friend 147 00:08:30,611 --> 00:08:32,679 that says, "Once the ghost gets in you." 148 00:08:32,780 --> 00:08:35,683 I mean, once the ghost got in me, it never came out. 149 00:08:35,783 --> 00:08:37,985 I mean, I never could think of doing anything else. 150 00:08:38,085 --> 00:08:39,919 It wouldn't have mattered if I had gone to school 151 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:42,355 or off to be a monk or any-- It wouldn't have mattered. 152 00:08:42,489 --> 00:08:44,057 You know, I would have done the same thing. 153 00:08:44,157 --> 00:08:46,627 It's just-- there was no control. 154 00:08:46,694 --> 00:08:49,863 There was no way to quit, no way to walk away from it. 155 00:08:49,963 --> 00:08:51,565 Just to hope for the best from it, 156 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:53,701 you know, like, hope that it takes care of me. 157 00:08:53,801 --> 00:08:56,103 (playing "American Girl") 158 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:59,406 CROWE: The Heartbreakers formed in 1975 159 00:08:59,506 --> 00:09:02,375 when Petty ran into four old friends from Florida-- 160 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:05,713 guitarist Mike Campbell, drummer Stan Lynch 161 00:09:05,813 --> 00:09:07,480 and bassist Ron Blair-- 162 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,182 all at a Los Angeles solo session 163 00:09:09,282 --> 00:09:11,719 for keyboard player Benmont Tench. 164 00:09:11,819 --> 00:09:13,887 Within the first few minutes of playing together, 165 00:09:13,987 --> 00:09:15,555 they knew they had a band. 166 00:09:15,656 --> 00:09:18,058 The Heartbreakers were soon an L.A. club favorite, 167 00:09:18,191 --> 00:09:21,662 thanks to early songs like "American Girl." 168 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:27,367 * Well, she was an American girl * 169 00:09:28,368 --> 00:09:31,104 * Raised on promises * 170 00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:35,575 * She couldn't help thinking that there * 171 00:09:35,676 --> 00:09:38,278 * Was a little more to life * 172 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:40,814 * Somewhere else * 173 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:45,052 * After all, it was a great big world * 174 00:09:45,118 --> 00:09:49,757 * With lots of places to run to * 175 00:09:49,857 --> 00:09:53,426 * And if she had to die trying * 176 00:09:53,560 --> 00:10:00,267 * She had one little promise she was gonna keep * 177 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:02,269 * Oh, yeah * 178 00:10:02,402 --> 00:10:04,437 * All right * 179 00:10:04,537 --> 00:10:06,539 * Take it easy, baby * 180 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,209 * Make it last all night * 181 00:10:09,276 --> 00:10:13,080 * She was an American girl... * 182 00:10:13,146 --> 00:10:14,782 TOM: The inspiration for "American Girl" 183 00:10:14,882 --> 00:10:17,284 was not Roger McGuinn; it was Bo Diddley. 184 00:10:17,384 --> 00:10:19,653 (playing "American Girl") 185 00:10:21,321 --> 00:10:22,990 It's the same... 186 00:10:25,726 --> 00:10:27,828 You know, the whole... 187 00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:29,429 And it'd be like... 188 00:10:29,496 --> 00:10:33,233 * Yeah, she was an American girl * 189 00:10:34,234 --> 00:10:36,870 * Raised on promises. * 190 00:10:37,671 --> 00:10:39,072 (playing "Listen to Her Heart") 191 00:10:39,139 --> 00:10:41,775 * You think you're gonna take her away * 192 00:10:41,842 --> 00:10:45,345 * With your money and your cocaine * 193 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:49,516 * You keep thinking that her mind is gonna change * 194 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:52,152 * But I know everything is okay * 195 00:10:52,252 --> 00:10:55,355 * She's gonna listen to her heart * 196 00:10:56,857 --> 00:11:00,593 * It's gonna tell her what to do * 197 00:11:01,895 --> 00:11:04,131 * She might need a lot of loving * 198 00:11:04,197 --> 00:11:07,567 * But she don't need you... * 199 00:11:08,869 --> 00:11:10,738 Yeah, we didn't have any idea what we were doing. 200 00:11:10,838 --> 00:11:12,472 It was like the first album, 201 00:11:12,539 --> 00:11:14,341 first couple albums, first couple tours, 202 00:11:14,474 --> 00:11:16,143 we didn't have any idea what we were doing. 203 00:11:16,209 --> 00:11:19,046 We didn't know any better, which was great. 204 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:21,849 That was a real cool time for us. 205 00:11:21,982 --> 00:11:23,650 Plus, there was nothing but disco happening, 206 00:11:23,751 --> 00:11:26,219 so we knew we were cool, you know. 207 00:11:26,319 --> 00:11:29,322 There probably was s-some, you know, 208 00:11:29,389 --> 00:11:32,125 jockeying for position in the first of two albums, 209 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:33,660 as-as there always is, you know. 210 00:11:33,727 --> 00:11:36,696 But I think even if it was called the Heartbreakers, 211 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:39,032 it would still be Tom, because he-- 212 00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:43,170 it's-it's ultimately his vision as a singer and-and songwriter. 213 00:11:43,270 --> 00:11:44,972 CROWE: In their seven years together, 214 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:47,307 the Heartbreakers have had only one personnel change. 215 00:11:47,374 --> 00:11:51,011 In 1982, they added Howie Epstein on bass. 216 00:11:51,078 --> 00:11:52,245 It was great. 217 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:53,814 Well, I was a fan of the band's anyway, 218 00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:57,517 so it was just sort of neat playing with them. 219 00:11:57,584 --> 00:12:01,188 How did the decision to replace Ron Blair come about? 220 00:12:01,288 --> 00:12:03,356 It's just like somebody in your family, you know, 221 00:12:03,423 --> 00:12:05,058 that you're not working with anymore. 222 00:12:05,158 --> 00:12:07,027 (laughs): So, you know. 223 00:12:07,094 --> 00:12:08,862 But he-he told me he didn't really want 224 00:12:08,929 --> 00:12:11,431 to go on the road anymore, that he just couldn't 225 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:13,300 get on the bus again. 226 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,535 So we're on the road. We are a team, you know. 227 00:12:15,635 --> 00:12:17,237 It's like we're a family or-- 228 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:19,372 I hate to say family, but that's what it is. 229 00:12:19,472 --> 00:12:20,707 We're, like, married. 230 00:12:20,808 --> 00:12:22,009 We depend on each other, 231 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:24,111 and we feed off each other, you know. 232 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:26,146 And then it's-- so it's like-- 233 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:28,081 it's almost essential that we be really close. 234 00:12:28,215 --> 00:12:32,052 Like, last tour, last couple of tours, we bused instead of flew, 235 00:12:32,119 --> 00:12:34,554 which kept us, like, in really close quarters, 236 00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:37,257 like 24 hours a day, which got to be 237 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:40,227 a bit Boy Scouts after about three months of it. 238 00:12:40,293 --> 00:12:42,495 (playing "I'm Stupid") 239 00:12:46,867 --> 00:12:49,669 * But just because * 240 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:52,605 * I eat bricks * 241 00:12:52,739 --> 00:12:55,308 * And just because * 242 00:12:55,408 --> 00:12:58,278 * I run in front of cars * 243 00:12:58,411 --> 00:13:00,814 * Just because * 244 00:13:00,914 --> 00:13:03,951 * I put food on my head * 245 00:13:04,084 --> 00:13:06,386 * People think * 246 00:13:06,453 --> 00:13:07,921 * I'm not smart * 247 00:13:07,988 --> 00:13:09,957 * But I'm stupid * 248 00:13:11,825 --> 00:13:15,095 * I've been stupid since the day I was born * 249 00:13:18,665 --> 00:13:21,835 * Yeah, I'm a dumbass, baby * 250 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:26,073 * I'm stupid, right on * 251 00:13:31,011 --> 00:13:33,213 * But just because * 252 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,615 * I go around with Mike * 253 00:13:36,683 --> 00:13:39,086 * And just because * 254 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:41,388 * I don't sleep at night * 255 00:13:42,789 --> 00:13:44,391 * People think * 256 00:13:45,492 --> 00:13:47,060 * I'm not bright * 257 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,929 * I'm stupid * 258 00:13:51,031 --> 00:13:54,567 * I've been stupid since the day I was born * 259 00:13:58,271 --> 00:14:00,740 * Well, I'm a dumbass, baby * 260 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:04,044 * I'm stupid * 261 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:05,545 OTHERS: * Right on! * 262 00:14:11,351 --> 00:14:13,686 So we're here in the desert. 263 00:14:13,786 --> 00:14:15,188 (device buzzes) 264 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:18,391 CROWE: What about the Heartbreakers on the road now? 265 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:20,527 -(scoffs) -(chuckles) 266 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:23,196 As of about four years ago, 267 00:14:23,330 --> 00:14:25,966 you used to always see the band characterized 268 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:29,302 as these road marauding... 269 00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:31,704 you know, bandidos. 270 00:14:31,804 --> 00:14:33,907 They come into your town. 271 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:35,208 (chuckles) 272 00:14:35,342 --> 00:14:38,078 Stan has a saying: "total conquest." 273 00:14:38,178 --> 00:14:40,013 CROWE: Has it changed much the last few years 274 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,349 or is it still pretty... 275 00:14:42,415 --> 00:14:44,251 "Heartbreakers Beach Party" out there? 276 00:14:44,351 --> 00:14:48,388 TOM: Well, we hadn't gone in, like, a year, but... 277 00:14:48,521 --> 00:14:50,157 it's pretty insane, yeah. 278 00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:53,293 Now, I don't think it'll ever change too much. Um... 279 00:14:54,761 --> 00:14:57,697 It seems like, um... 280 00:14:57,764 --> 00:15:01,234 it just gets worse year to year. (laughs) 281 00:15:01,334 --> 00:15:05,038 You know, it's in them, and it's got to come out. 282 00:15:05,138 --> 00:15:06,673 It's one of those kind of things. 283 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,876 It's hard, though. It takes me... 284 00:15:09,943 --> 00:15:12,712 After you do that show, 285 00:15:12,779 --> 00:15:15,582 I mean, going to sleep is just a laugh. 286 00:15:15,682 --> 00:15:18,685 I mean, like, yeah, okay, sure, you could... 287 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:20,220 you could even go get in bed. 288 00:15:20,287 --> 00:15:21,454 What's the difference? 289 00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:25,892 You're so charged up, you're so revved 290 00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:30,630 that, you know, it takes a lot to-to knock it down by morning. 291 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:33,800 -(playing "Hit the Road Jack/Breakdown") -* It's all right * 292 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:36,169 (crowd cheering, shouting excitedly) 293 00:15:40,473 --> 00:15:45,245 * Old woman, old woman, don't you treat me this way * 294 00:15:45,345 --> 00:15:49,782 * 'Cause I'll be back on my feet someday * 295 00:15:49,915 --> 00:15:54,121 * I guess if you say so * 296 00:15:54,221 --> 00:15:55,888 * I'll have to pack my bags * 297 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:58,125 -* And go * -* That's right * 298 00:15:58,225 --> 00:16:00,593 * Hit the road, Jack * 299 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:03,430 * And don't you come back no more * 300 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:07,134 * No more, no more, no more * 301 00:16:07,234 --> 00:16:09,436 * Hit the road, Jack * 302 00:16:09,502 --> 00:16:13,506 * And don't you come back no more * 303 00:16:14,607 --> 00:16:16,476 (crowd cheering) 304 00:16:19,512 --> 00:16:21,448 * It's all right * 305 00:16:21,514 --> 00:16:23,750 (cheering grows louder) 306 00:16:33,693 --> 00:16:35,328 Is it all right? 307 00:16:35,428 --> 00:16:36,829 (crowd cheering) 308 00:16:38,598 --> 00:16:40,167 Is it all right? 309 00:16:40,267 --> 00:16:42,335 (crowd cheering) 310 00:16:43,136 --> 00:16:45,638 Is it all right?! 311 00:16:45,738 --> 00:16:47,807 (crowd cheering) 312 00:16:47,874 --> 00:16:49,942 * All right * 313 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:56,049 * 'Cause you can walk right out the door, baby * 314 00:16:57,317 --> 00:16:59,052 * I don't mind * 315 00:17:01,421 --> 00:17:04,022 * You can walk all over me, baby * 316 00:17:04,156 --> 00:17:07,194 * I don't mind, I can stand it, I don't mind * 317 00:17:07,294 --> 00:17:10,563 * I can face it, I don't mind, I can take it * 318 00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:13,633 * I don't mind, I can live with it, I don't mind * 319 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:18,037 * I can take it, I don't mind, I can take it, I don't mind * 320 00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:20,406 (cheering grows louder) 321 00:17:23,675 --> 00:17:25,345 * It's all right! * 322 00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:27,214 TOM: There's a point in every show, though, 323 00:17:27,314 --> 00:17:30,083 I can feel where I just feel relaxed 324 00:17:30,217 --> 00:17:34,087 and, like, you know, we broke through, you know. 325 00:17:34,187 --> 00:17:36,523 Maybe even, like, sex, but not quite like that. 326 00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:40,193 I mean, but, like, where, you know, I-I've got it now. 327 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,195 We're really rolling now, you know. 328 00:17:42,262 --> 00:17:43,530 Nothing's gonna go wrong. 329 00:17:43,596 --> 00:17:45,765 And you hit that where nothing can go wrong. 330 00:17:45,898 --> 00:17:50,237 CROWE: Except maybe one night a few years back in Winterland 331 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:53,273 when you got pulled into the audience. 332 00:17:53,373 --> 00:17:54,707 What was going on? 333 00:17:54,774 --> 00:17:56,476 Were you going out into the audience 334 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:58,945 to-to play part of the song? 335 00:17:59,045 --> 00:18:00,580 No, I just got a little too happy. 336 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,916 Can you say, "I love rock and roll music"? 337 00:18:04,050 --> 00:18:07,053 Can you say, "It makes me feel good inside"? 338 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,821 (crowd cheering) 339 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:10,823 * Sometimes * 340 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:14,461 * Sometimes * 341 00:18:16,396 --> 00:18:18,231 * Sometime easy... * 342 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:22,101 I lean out over, and somebody just got me 343 00:18:22,202 --> 00:18:24,971 -right around the legs. -(hands clap) 344 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:26,473 You know, in we go. 345 00:18:26,573 --> 00:18:29,576 And, uh, that was, you know, pretty scary. 346 00:18:29,642 --> 00:18:30,910 They, uh... 347 00:18:31,911 --> 00:18:34,247 It was one of the first times it really registered to me 348 00:18:34,347 --> 00:18:36,783 that, you know, the crowd is dangerous. 349 00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:41,321 The crowd... crowd, you know, out of control, is dangerous. 350 00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:42,822 Because that was dangerous. 351 00:18:42,922 --> 00:18:45,258 You know, I was beat up pretty good there. 352 00:18:45,358 --> 00:18:47,494 And it-it doesn't seem on the tape 353 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:49,829 like it takes very long at all to get me out, 354 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:51,398 but, I mean, it was a lifetime. 355 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,500 I don't know. I think they really thought 356 00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:55,635 that they could just 357 00:18:55,735 --> 00:18:58,171 take a finger home, you know, take this, that. 358 00:18:58,305 --> 00:18:59,939 I don't know what they thought to tell you the truth. 359 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:02,942 I got back up and finished the show. 360 00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:05,345 -(band playing rock music) -(crowd cheering) 361 00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:09,682 Now, they're-they're a great audience, really. 362 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:11,251 It was a great show. 363 00:19:11,318 --> 00:19:13,986 And I don't hold anything against the audience 'cause, 364 00:19:14,086 --> 00:19:17,790 I mean, I'm the one that stirred it all up in the first place. 365 00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:20,760 I just should know better than to... to get too close. 366 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:24,364 From very early on, we-we used to do those tours 367 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:27,767 that would just go eight, nine gigs in a row 368 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:29,135 before there was a day off, 369 00:19:29,236 --> 00:19:30,970 and month after month and a month. 370 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:33,840 And then, you-you know, we learned real early, 371 00:19:33,973 --> 00:19:36,042 hey, you just can't do it. 372 00:19:36,142 --> 00:19:38,578 And now I-I try to keep a... 373 00:19:38,678 --> 00:19:42,148 some kind of moderate watch on it and still have a good time. 374 00:19:42,249 --> 00:19:45,652 I don't want it to get so safe that there's no fun left. 375 00:19:45,718 --> 00:19:47,487 (crowd cheering) 376 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:49,889 (crowd clapping and chanting rhythmically) 377 00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:04,871 In the wrong fucking room. 378 00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:06,706 Everything is fucking wrong. 379 00:20:06,806 --> 00:20:09,075 It's like, you got to stick with us. 380 00:20:10,142 --> 00:20:11,944 We're in the wrong room. 381 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:13,580 MAN: Want to go back up? 382 00:20:13,713 --> 00:20:15,682 MAN 2: Let's go back up and get in the right room. 383 00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:17,350 -MAN: Yeah. -Come on. 384 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:19,218 MAN 2: We'll bring it down here if we have to. Shit. 385 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:21,321 Put me in the wrong fucking room. 386 00:20:21,388 --> 00:20:23,656 (indistinct chatter) 387 00:20:26,493 --> 00:20:29,696 MAN: Oh, yeah, this is happening. 388 00:20:29,762 --> 00:20:31,731 Tennis, anyone? 389 00:20:32,332 --> 00:20:34,434 MAN 3: You're on our court. 390 00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:36,403 You're walking around our court. 391 00:20:36,536 --> 00:20:39,038 -Oh, we're in the wrong room. -(laughing) 392 00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:41,007 -We're in the wrong room. -Tommy. 393 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:42,875 -What? -Today's court day, right? 394 00:20:42,942 --> 00:20:46,212 -I thought we're going to court. -The wrong direction. 395 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:47,514 Yeah. 396 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:50,149 Oh, well, see, we just come offstage. 397 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:52,018 We thought we were going to the dressing room. 398 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:53,753 You'll have to forgive us. 399 00:20:53,853 --> 00:20:55,455 MAN 4: Next door right. 400 00:20:55,555 --> 00:20:56,823 MAN 3: You don't play tennis courts, 401 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:58,124 so get the fuck out of here. 402 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:00,059 Oh, we'll see you, then. 403 00:21:00,126 --> 00:21:01,928 -MAN 2: Have a good game. -MAN: Let's go. 404 00:21:02,061 --> 00:21:03,530 Okay. 405 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:05,798 -I plead insane. -(laughing) 406 00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,134 (band playing upbeat rock music) 407 00:21:18,177 --> 00:21:19,879 CROWE: In 1979, 408 00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:22,915 the fun stopped and the legal hassles began. 409 00:21:23,015 --> 00:21:25,885 The Heartbreakers record company was sold to MCA, 410 00:21:25,952 --> 00:21:28,788 and Petty felt like a pawn in a huge corporate game. 411 00:21:28,921 --> 00:21:32,291 In his well-publicized battle to retain creative freedom, 412 00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:34,927 Petty was sued from three different directions. 413 00:21:34,994 --> 00:21:37,664 His most important album, Damn the Torpedoes, 414 00:21:37,764 --> 00:21:39,566 was almost never released. 415 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,200 -("Don't Do Me Like That" playing) -* Don't do me like that * 416 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,803 * Don't do me like that * 417 00:21:43,936 --> 00:21:45,538 * What if I love you, baby? * 418 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,574 * Don't do me like that * 419 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,711 * Don't do me like that, don't do me like that... * 420 00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:56,816 All I'd done really to... to get into the lawsuit was, um, 421 00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:59,852 become popular enough that everyone thought 422 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:01,454 they were gonna make a fortune. 423 00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:03,523 It was really scary. It was down to the point of, 424 00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:05,124 "We're gonna come get your tapes. 425 00:22:05,191 --> 00:22:06,693 "We're gonna send a marshal down to the studio, 426 00:22:06,793 --> 00:22:08,127 and he's gonna confiscate the tapes." 427 00:22:08,194 --> 00:22:09,829 And we're gonna put the wrong names 428 00:22:09,962 --> 00:22:11,864 you know, fictitious names on the tapes. 429 00:22:11,998 --> 00:22:14,266 And there was no way, I mean, to this day, 430 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,135 with all the records we sold and everything, 431 00:22:16,235 --> 00:22:17,670 I still wouldn't be in the black. 432 00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:21,107 There was no way to-to get ahead. 433 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:25,144 Nothing. Uh, publishing, every single thing. 434 00:22:25,244 --> 00:22:28,014 And we'd just gotten, you know, 435 00:22:28,114 --> 00:22:30,850 sophisticated enough business-wise to realize that. 436 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:33,553 And I said, you know, "I'll-I'll light the whole thing on fire. 437 00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:36,022 "I'll burn this tape before I'm gonna give it to you 438 00:22:36,122 --> 00:22:38,324 -and let you just exploit me." -("Refugee" playing) 439 00:22:38,391 --> 00:22:41,428 * It don't make no difference to me, baby * 440 00:22:41,528 --> 00:22:44,731 * Everybody's had to fight to be free * 441 00:22:44,831 --> 00:22:49,502 * You see, you don't have to live like a refugee * 442 00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:53,339 * Don't have to live like a refugee * 443 00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:57,544 * Now, baby, you don't have to live like a refugee * 444 00:22:57,644 --> 00:23:02,348 -* Don't have to live like a refugee * -* No... * 445 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:06,419 TOM: Finally, after, uh, ten months, the whole mess was resolved, 446 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:10,222 and it wound up with us going to a new label called Backstreet 447 00:23:10,322 --> 00:23:13,359 that would, uh, be distributed by MCA. 448 00:23:13,426 --> 00:23:16,896 -("Even the Losers" playing) -* Baby, even the losers * 449 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:20,933 * Get lucky sometimes * 450 00:23:21,668 --> 00:23:24,771 * Even the losers * 451 00:23:25,872 --> 00:23:29,241 * Keep a little bit of pride * 452 00:23:29,308 --> 00:23:33,613 * They get lucky sometimes, hey... * 453 00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:35,081 TOM: This is great, you know. 454 00:23:35,181 --> 00:23:38,350 From being nearly washed out, 455 00:23:38,451 --> 00:23:42,288 from being bankrupt, all the way around. 456 00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:45,024 And we'd just done it on this record, 457 00:23:45,124 --> 00:23:48,060 and the-the fans had done it, you know. 458 00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:50,763 You have to-- like, at the risk of sounding corny, 459 00:23:50,863 --> 00:23:54,601 you know, you really have to thank the fans and be... 460 00:23:54,701 --> 00:23:56,669 I'm still very reverent about that. 461 00:23:56,769 --> 00:24:01,774 You know, I will stop and sign the thing because... 462 00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,275 it's that important, you know. 463 00:24:03,342 --> 00:24:05,077 I mean, I think that if you lose that, 464 00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:09,616 if you get where they're just them, then it's all gone. 465 00:24:09,682 --> 00:24:11,818 I always feel sorry for those groups that get so big 466 00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:15,421 and shut it all out and get, you know, too cool to be happy. 467 00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:19,058 CROWE: After selling three million copies of Damn the Torpedoes, 468 00:24:19,158 --> 00:24:21,961 the next album would be more anticipated than ever. 469 00:24:22,028 --> 00:24:24,130 The mood of Hard Promises changed many times 470 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:26,499 as the band felt the pressure of a follow-up. 471 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,334 You know, you have a big record, and all of a sudden, 472 00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:30,670 everybody expects a bigger one next time, 473 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:33,540 you know, and that's a hard promise to live up to, 474 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,174 'cause half the time, you don't even know how you did it. 475 00:24:35,274 --> 00:24:37,043 You just went in, it happened. You made a great record. 476 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:38,377 And then next time, you got to go out 477 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:39,879 and you got to go, "Well, how... 478 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:43,215 We got to do that, but we got to do it better." 479 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:44,984 Instead of just going for it blind. 480 00:24:45,084 --> 00:24:47,153 So, Hard Promises, we had... 481 00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:48,921 Torpedoes did really well, you know. 482 00:24:49,021 --> 00:24:50,723 Hard Promises, we were kind of... 483 00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,659 We knew everybody would-would really be 484 00:24:52,725 --> 00:24:54,360 listening to this one. 485 00:24:55,361 --> 00:24:57,830 So we didn't want to do the same album again, 486 00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:59,732 you know, so we took some chances on it. 487 00:24:59,866 --> 00:25:03,135 ("A Woman in Love (It's Not Me)" playing) 488 00:25:16,215 --> 00:25:18,751 * She laughed in my face * 489 00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:22,421 * Told me goodbye * 490 00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:25,825 * Said, "Don't think about it * 491 00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:29,195 * "You can go crazy * 492 00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:34,266 * "Anything can happen * 493 00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:38,070 * "Anything can end * 494 00:25:39,572 --> 00:25:41,608 * "Don't try to fight it * 495 00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:44,443 * Don't try to save me" * 496 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:48,414 * She's a woman in love * 497 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:59,158 * She's a woman in love * 498 00:26:00,292 --> 00:26:05,464 * And he's gonna break her heart to pieces * 499 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:07,834 * She don't want to see * 500 00:26:07,934 --> 00:26:14,774 * She's a woman in love * 501 00:26:16,142 --> 00:26:17,910 * But it's not me... * 502 00:26:17,977 --> 00:26:19,545 CROWE: With the release of Hard Promises, 503 00:26:19,612 --> 00:26:21,580 Petty would make yet another stand, 504 00:26:21,648 --> 00:26:23,415 this one over higher record prices. 505 00:26:23,515 --> 00:26:26,585 MAN: You had a, uh, lot of publicity about a struggle 506 00:26:26,686 --> 00:26:28,955 with your record company about the list prices 507 00:26:29,055 --> 00:26:30,456 on one of your albums. 508 00:26:30,556 --> 00:26:32,558 Uh, what would be one of the things 509 00:26:32,625 --> 00:26:34,126 that probably peeve you off most 510 00:26:34,226 --> 00:26:36,663 about the industry in the U.S. at this time? 511 00:26:36,796 --> 00:26:38,564 It's like, the only times we butt heads is 512 00:26:38,631 --> 00:26:41,300 when they want to do something like take advantage of me. 513 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,136 You know, like, I felt like charging 9.98 514 00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:45,604 was taking advantage of me. 515 00:26:45,672 --> 00:26:48,474 And if you notice, records are still at 8.98 516 00:26:48,574 --> 00:26:49,809 for the most part, you know, 517 00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:52,611 which, uh, makes me feel good about that, 518 00:26:52,712 --> 00:26:55,547 -because they didn't have to do it, you know. -(applause) 519 00:27:00,252 --> 00:27:02,388 Now I'm out in the woods, and I'm thinking, 520 00:27:02,488 --> 00:27:04,323 "How am I gonna eat tonight? 521 00:27:04,423 --> 00:27:06,625 Or even get to that Ted Nugent show?" 522 00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:08,795 -(gun pops) -Whoa, there's one down now. 523 00:27:08,895 --> 00:27:11,530 -CROWE: Nice shot. -I felt good about it. 524 00:27:12,765 --> 00:27:15,868 While we're waiting for Cameron to get his dart together, 525 00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:18,905 this is the, uh, the first cover of the album. 526 00:27:19,706 --> 00:27:21,841 -(gun pops) -Whoa. 527 00:27:21,941 --> 00:27:23,810 I feel good about that. 528 00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:25,544 TOM: Okay, Cameron, 529 00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:27,646 -here is all the dirty truth. -Okay. 530 00:27:27,714 --> 00:27:31,250 TOM: That's a cover of Cashbox that I found very strange. 531 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:33,319 So, did you just put all this stuff in a box 532 00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:35,621 as you got it and just stashed it away? 533 00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:37,589 Uh, yeah, me or somebody did it. 534 00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:39,525 CROWE: Is there a story behind this picture? 535 00:27:39,625 --> 00:27:41,694 TOM: He's the only person I ever asked for an autograph 536 00:27:41,794 --> 00:27:44,096 was James Brown, Godfather of Soul. 537 00:27:44,196 --> 00:27:47,199 This is the first night I ever met Campbell. 538 00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:49,902 We got banned from Germany for a while 'cause of this. 539 00:27:50,036 --> 00:27:53,372 -You had to be there. -So how old are you here? 540 00:27:53,472 --> 00:27:55,474 TOM: I don't know, 20, 19. 541 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,309 Well, I would never really want to sit down 542 00:27:57,376 --> 00:27:59,178 and see this much of me, you know? 543 00:27:59,278 --> 00:28:00,913 What's in there? 544 00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:04,851 I think that's up in Santa Cruz a long time ago. 545 00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,352 This is the first letter 546 00:28:06,418 --> 00:28:09,055 I ever got back from a-a record company. 547 00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:11,490 Yeah, that really pissed me off that cover, 548 00:28:11,557 --> 00:28:14,360 'cause I didn't see that girl as anything like that. 549 00:28:14,426 --> 00:28:16,162 Oh, "Necesito Saber." 550 00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:18,530 "Necesito Saber." One of my favorites. 551 00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:20,032 CROWE: What was the most bizarre version 552 00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:21,500 of one of your songs that you've heard? 553 00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:23,069 TOM: The weirdest thing I ever heard 554 00:28:23,169 --> 00:28:26,773 was a Swedish version of "I Need to Know." 555 00:28:26,873 --> 00:28:29,375 ("Vill ha ett svar" by Gyllene Tider playing) 556 00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:32,378 (song continues with lyrics in Swedish) 557 00:28:35,748 --> 00:28:37,683 It is kind of a cute little record. 558 00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:39,952 * * 559 00:28:47,393 --> 00:28:48,727 Oh, we're just having a party. 560 00:28:48,828 --> 00:28:50,196 You want to see some of these videotapes? 561 00:28:50,262 --> 00:28:52,264 -CROWE: I do. -Just-just at random? 562 00:28:53,766 --> 00:28:57,236 All of Hard Promises is on videotape. 563 00:28:57,336 --> 00:28:58,971 Oh, this is an old movie. Wait. 564 00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:01,073 -(playing "Gator on the Lawn") -* My lawn * 565 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:03,075 * Yeah, I run in the kitchen, looked in the paper * 566 00:29:03,142 --> 00:29:05,377 * Said, "Oh, God almighty, mama, there it says a gator * 567 00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:06,913 * Come on..." * 568 00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:09,615 This is us, yeah, doing, uh, the "Gator on the Lawn." 569 00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:12,651 * Every other day, I got a gator on my lawn. * 570 00:29:14,153 --> 00:29:17,456 -(playing "Heartbreakers Beach Party") -* Heartbreakers beach party * 571 00:29:17,556 --> 00:29:18,490 * Yeah * 572 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,092 (laughing) 573 00:29:20,893 --> 00:29:24,630 * Heartbreakers beach party * 574 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,432 * Yeah... * 575 00:29:26,532 --> 00:29:29,168 TOM: Like, here, I-I'm just showing them this song. 576 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:31,670 -(playing "Insider") -* I'm an insider * 577 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,840 This is the first time anybody's hearing this. 578 00:29:33,973 --> 00:29:35,842 * Yeah, I'm an insider... * 579 00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:37,676 But we made this record that night. 580 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,478 You know, we got... 581 00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:41,447 just got lucky that night. 582 00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:43,182 We got it. 583 00:29:43,315 --> 00:29:44,583 And if we'd been at rehearsal, 584 00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:46,785 we wouldn't have got it, you know? 585 00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:48,787 * With some hard promises * 586 00:29:48,855 --> 00:29:53,159 * I've crawled through the briars * 587 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,997 * I'm an insider. * 588 00:29:58,764 --> 00:30:00,666 -Well, why does it have to... -(indistinct chatter) 589 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,434 Well, we can... 590 00:30:02,501 --> 00:30:04,070 CROWE: How'd you and Stevie Nicks get together? 591 00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:05,637 TOM: She was a fan of the band, 592 00:30:05,704 --> 00:30:07,473 and she just had been for a long time 593 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:11,110 and wanted to come and-and hang out and sing some. 594 00:30:11,177 --> 00:30:13,479 So she was asking me one night at dinner for a song. 595 00:30:13,579 --> 00:30:14,713 You know, "Would you write a song?" 596 00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:16,148 She'd asked me a couple times, 597 00:30:16,248 --> 00:30:17,649 but one night, she got real adamant 598 00:30:17,749 --> 00:30:19,518 about, you know, "Really want a song." 599 00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:24,090 So I said, "Okay, you know, I'll write the song." 600 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,792 And, um, I went... 601 00:30:27,726 --> 00:30:31,630 ...went home, and the next afternoon, 602 00:30:31,697 --> 00:30:34,901 I wrote this, um... "Insider." 603 00:30:35,034 --> 00:30:38,237 * I'm an insider * 604 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:43,342 * I been burned by the fire * 605 00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:49,681 * But I've had to live with some hard promises * 606 00:30:49,781 --> 00:30:53,920 * I've crawled through the briars * 607 00:30:55,387 --> 00:30:58,224 * I'm an insider... * 608 00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,259 TOM: That's where I got the whole "hard promises" line. 609 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,729 The whole thing just hit me in the head all at once. 610 00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:10,937 * I'll bet you're his masterpiece * 611 00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:15,841 * I'll bet you're his self-control * 612 00:31:17,109 --> 00:31:20,812 * Yeah, you'll become his legacy * 613 00:31:22,214 --> 00:31:25,751 * His quiet world of white and gold... * 614 00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:28,687 TOM: She said, "You know what? 615 00:31:28,754 --> 00:31:30,356 "I can't take this from you 616 00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:33,059 "because I know-- I can see how bad you want it. 617 00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:34,560 "And you just keep it 618 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:37,964 and write me another song, and we're even." 619 00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:42,101 * I said, "Yeah, well, what am I supposed to do?" * 620 00:31:42,234 --> 00:31:44,903 Okay. I-I knew it. I just... 621 00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:46,805 This really helps to do this little thing. 622 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:49,641 "And I said," dash, "I-I..." 623 00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:52,778 "I said," dash, "Yeah, well," dash, 624 00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:54,446 "what am I supposed to..." 625 00:31:54,546 --> 00:31:56,048 -And it works. -Yeah. 626 00:31:56,115 --> 00:31:58,917 Creative writing, right? Did you ever take that? 627 00:31:58,985 --> 00:32:00,419 You have to write, and then you have to-- you go-- 628 00:32:00,486 --> 00:32:02,788 you make dashes and exclamation points, 629 00:32:02,888 --> 00:32:04,256 so you-- when you read it... 630 00:32:04,356 --> 00:32:06,525 I tell you, I just barely got through school at all. 631 00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:08,160 -It was just, uh... we never... -(chuckles) 632 00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:09,695 * You'll come knocking on my... * 633 00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:11,663 English was about as deep as it got. 634 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:13,499 -Right, right. * You'll come knocking on... * -Um... 635 00:32:13,632 --> 00:32:17,169 * You'll come knocking on my front door * 636 00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:21,173 * Same old story that you used to use before... * 637 00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:23,642 TOM: We did "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around." 638 00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:25,277 I think it took us a-a few hours. 639 00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:28,780 We went down and learned it and sang it, and... 640 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,317 -the rest is history. -(Crowe laughs) 641 00:32:32,418 --> 00:32:37,156 * Baby, you'll come knocking on my front door * 642 00:32:37,256 --> 00:32:41,693 * Same old line you used to use before * 643 00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:46,132 * I said, "Yeah, well, what am I supposed to do?" * 644 00:32:46,198 --> 00:32:51,137 * I didn't know what I was getting into * 645 00:32:51,237 --> 00:32:55,541 * So you've had a little trouble in town * 646 00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:59,845 * Now you're keeping some demon down * 647 00:32:59,945 --> 00:33:04,083 * And stop draggin' my, and stop draggin' my * 648 00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:08,587 * And stop draggin' my heart around. * 649 00:33:10,022 --> 00:33:11,423 TOM: And it's still a big thrill, 650 00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:14,193 anytime you create a piece of music, to me. 651 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:17,229 It's just a real kick. 652 00:33:17,363 --> 00:33:19,865 It's like... It's fun. 653 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:23,469 It's fun to-- for four people to play and tape rolls, 654 00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:24,636 and then you can play it back. 655 00:33:24,703 --> 00:33:26,272 I'm still fascinated by that. 656 00:33:26,372 --> 00:33:28,207 (playing "Keeping Me Alive") 657 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:32,044 * But sometimes we ride around * 658 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:35,881 * She plays the radio up loud * 659 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:40,886 * If I was sad, well, I'm happy now * 660 00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:46,892 * And it feels so good to know * 661 00:33:46,992 --> 00:33:51,730 * I got you where you belong * 662 00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:53,532 * Here in my heart * 663 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,467 -* Right by my side... * -(music stops) 664 00:33:55,567 --> 00:33:57,603 Tried to do it as long as I could. 665 00:33:57,703 --> 00:34:00,072 -What happened? -The vocal-- this vocal mic is so (bleep) loud. 666 00:34:00,206 --> 00:34:02,174 -Oh, sorry. -Blow your head off. 667 00:34:02,241 --> 00:34:03,375 That was happening. 668 00:34:03,442 --> 00:34:05,244 -STAN: Sorry, guys. -It's okay. 669 00:34:05,344 --> 00:34:07,579 STAN: One. Turn this thing down. 670 00:34:07,713 --> 00:34:09,248 -TOM: Not in my cue. -STAN: One. 671 00:34:09,348 --> 00:34:11,382 -Ah! -TOM: No, no, no! 672 00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:13,252 You're turning it up in my cue. 673 00:34:13,351 --> 00:34:14,353 STAN: One, one. 674 00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:16,088 TOM: We want it down. Hey. 675 00:34:16,222 --> 00:34:17,556 That's good right now in this cue. 676 00:34:17,656 --> 00:34:19,591 Okay, why is it so loud in my cue now? 677 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,592 TOM: So I think I like the studio a little too much, 678 00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:25,063 you know, because I-I could stay there endlessly 679 00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:28,300 and just make sounds, make noises. 680 00:34:28,434 --> 00:34:30,402 You know, I wear everyone out. 681 00:34:30,469 --> 00:34:31,703 Nobody wants to stay. 682 00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,672 They always want to go before I do. 683 00:34:33,772 --> 00:34:35,641 -(music resumes) -* I got a job * 684 00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:37,443 * I work hard * 685 00:34:37,543 --> 00:34:41,313 * These days, the money don't go very far * 686 00:34:41,447 --> 00:34:45,784 * It's hard enough keeping gas in the car * 687 00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:53,125 * But sometimes we ride around * 688 00:34:53,225 --> 00:34:56,995 * She plays the radio up loud * 689 00:34:57,094 --> 00:35:01,733 * If I was sad, well, I'm happy now * 690 00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:07,773 * Yeah, and it feels so good to know * 691 00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:12,478 * I got you where you belong * 692 00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:16,315 * Here in my heart, right by my side * 693 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:20,286 * Honey, you're getting me by * 694 00:35:20,352 --> 00:35:23,989 * Yeah, you're keeping me alive * 695 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:25,824 * All right * 696 00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:28,126 * * 697 00:35:29,795 --> 00:35:31,163 * Whoa... * 698 00:35:36,835 --> 00:35:38,970 TOM: Our whole music is based around influence. 699 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:43,609 This is, you know... it's just like a real American group. 700 00:35:43,675 --> 00:35:47,346 It's like, uh, we just take everything in. 701 00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:48,647 It all feeds in. 702 00:35:48,714 --> 00:35:50,015 You know, I think the key word 703 00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:52,117 to the '80s music is-is "synthesis." 704 00:35:52,184 --> 00:35:54,620 You know, it's a synthesizer. Like, a-a... 705 00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:57,656 Not the instrument but just, like, what the instrument does. 706 00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:01,193 It just combines sounds. It takes everything in. 707 00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:05,197 And that's-that's all that's going on in rock, really. 708 00:36:05,297 --> 00:36:06,865 Because I ain't heard nothing new 709 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:08,367 since "Whole Lotta Shakin'." 710 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,736 -(playing "Wild Thing") -* Wild thing * 711 00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:16,542 * You make my heart sing * 712 00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:23,282 * Yeah, you make everything groovy * 713 00:36:24,683 --> 00:36:27,519 * Oh, yeah, wild thing * 714 00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:31,590 * Oh, yeah * 715 00:36:32,824 --> 00:36:34,693 * Now you got it * 716 00:36:35,761 --> 00:36:37,629 * Now you got it * 717 00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:41,233 * Hey, wild thing * 718 00:36:41,367 --> 00:36:43,935 * I think you move me * 719 00:36:45,537 --> 00:36:49,408 * But I wanna know for sure * 720 00:36:50,909 --> 00:36:55,281 * I said, come on and, uh, hold me tight * 721 00:36:58,016 --> 00:37:01,186 * I love you, yeah * 722 00:37:11,463 --> 00:37:14,199 * Yeah, wild thing * 723 00:37:16,602 --> 00:37:20,238 * You make my heart sing * 724 00:37:21,807 --> 00:37:27,012 * Yeah, you make everything groovy * 725 00:37:28,046 --> 00:37:30,949 * Oh, wild thing... * 726 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:34,052 CROWE: What do you think about when you're playing the drums, Stan? 727 00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:35,921 -You want an honest answer? -I want an honest answer. 728 00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:38,524 I think about, like, (bleep) and (bleep). 729 00:37:38,624 --> 00:37:40,859 * Wild thing * 730 00:37:44,463 --> 00:37:46,064 * Hey. * 731 00:37:51,603 --> 00:37:53,872 (tempo slows, band playing flourish) 732 00:38:02,548 --> 00:38:03,715 (song ends) 733 00:38:03,815 --> 00:38:05,250 CROWE: I wondered about 734 00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:07,786 your particular process of writing songs. 735 00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:09,220 Do you carry a notebook with you 736 00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:12,458 and jot down ideas when they come to you? 737 00:38:12,524 --> 00:38:14,926 TOM: Yeah. The hardest part of writing a song ever 738 00:38:14,993 --> 00:38:19,931 is... is the title and what you're gonna write about. 739 00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:21,967 I mean, that's always the hardest part to me. 740 00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:24,436 Because once I know what I want to do, 741 00:38:24,503 --> 00:38:26,204 I can do it in-in an hour. 742 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:28,874 How about "The Waiting"? How did that start out? 743 00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:32,678 Oh, "The Waiting," I had the 12-string guitar, 744 00:38:32,778 --> 00:38:35,514 and I just, uh... 745 00:38:35,614 --> 00:38:37,616 hit that-that little... 746 00:38:37,683 --> 00:38:40,151 I wanted something that-that, 747 00:38:40,251 --> 00:38:44,690 you know, that had a little lick from the beginning, 748 00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:46,525 and I just hit that, uh... 749 00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:48,860 (playing "The Waiting") 750 00:38:56,435 --> 00:38:58,336 That's all I had, see? 751 00:38:58,437 --> 00:39:00,171 I did that for a week. 752 00:39:00,238 --> 00:39:01,607 (Crowe laughs) 753 00:39:01,707 --> 00:39:04,810 Then finally I'd hit... * The waiting * 754 00:39:04,876 --> 00:39:07,178 * Is the hardest part * 755 00:39:07,245 --> 00:39:11,517 * Every day, you get one more yard * 756 00:39:11,583 --> 00:39:15,387 * Take it on faith, take it to the heart * 757 00:39:15,487 --> 00:39:18,690 * The waiting is the hardest part. * 758 00:39:18,757 --> 00:39:22,961 You know, I'd get to that, and then I'd go, "Well, now what?" 759 00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:23,995 You know. 760 00:39:24,062 --> 00:39:26,398 And I'd be, like, all week. 761 00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:31,236 You eat dinner, you come back, sit down, pick up the guitar. 762 00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:35,340 People start banging on the wall. 763 00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:38,043 "Don't play that anymore." (chuckles) 764 00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:39,377 And so finally, I'd hit... 765 00:39:39,478 --> 00:39:41,613 * Yeah... * (singing mumbled lyrics) 766 00:39:41,747 --> 00:39:43,415 You know, or however it goes. 767 00:39:43,515 --> 00:39:46,952 * Baby, don't it feel like heaven right now? * 768 00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:48,420 You know, I-I'd hit that part 769 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,457 and then, you know, slowly into this part. 770 00:39:51,557 --> 00:39:53,258 And then, you know, just every day, 771 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:56,027 I'd just come down like a puzzle, you know, and say, 772 00:39:56,094 --> 00:39:58,630 "Well, I know that this will connect to this." 773 00:39:58,764 --> 00:40:02,200 And then more and more, and then I had to sit down in the... 774 00:40:02,267 --> 00:40:04,936 final stages of the song, just sitting down and trying 775 00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:08,574 to tie it up lyrically, where it all... 776 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,477 you know, got across the thing. 777 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:15,080 And when it did, you know, I got real excited, you know. 778 00:40:15,146 --> 00:40:16,515 Went to the phone, called Iovine. 779 00:40:16,615 --> 00:40:18,249 "I did it! I wrote a song!" 780 00:40:18,316 --> 00:40:22,287 * The waiting is the hardest part * 781 00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:26,057 * Every day, you see one more card * 782 00:40:26,124 --> 00:40:30,095 * You take it on faith, you take it to the heart * 783 00:40:30,195 --> 00:40:34,900 * The waiting is the highest part * 784 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:40,271 * Yeah, the waiting * 785 00:40:40,371 --> 00:40:44,610 * Is the hardest * 786 00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:46,778 * Part. * 787 00:40:49,347 --> 00:40:51,282 (song fades) 788 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:52,450 (device buzzes) 789 00:40:52,551 --> 00:40:53,852 CROWE: All right, we're ready. 790 00:40:53,985 --> 00:40:55,887 -(indistinct chatter) -Roll camera. 791 00:40:56,855 --> 00:40:58,790 -Okay. -In the room. 792 00:40:58,857 --> 00:41:00,692 I wanted to ask you about Long After Dark. 793 00:41:00,826 --> 00:41:03,361 It seems to be more of a band album, 794 00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:05,130 a little bit of a harder album. 795 00:41:05,196 --> 00:41:09,501 And, uh, I wonder if that was the intention going into it. 796 00:41:09,601 --> 00:41:10,636 No. 797 00:41:10,702 --> 00:41:11,937 CROWE: How does Long After Dark 798 00:41:12,003 --> 00:41:14,205 sound on the radio these days? 799 00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:16,474 -What do you think, How? -I think it sounds great. 800 00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:18,577 -Howie loves it. -Howie loves it. 801 00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,913 (playing "Change of Heart") 802 00:41:33,358 --> 00:41:36,828 * Well, I fought for you * 803 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:40,766 * I fought too hard * 804 00:41:42,267 --> 00:41:44,870 * To do it all again, babe * 805 00:41:45,971 --> 00:41:48,607 * It's come too far * 806 00:41:50,208 --> 00:41:52,343 * You never needed me * 807 00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:56,381 * You only wanted me around * 808 00:41:56,481 --> 00:42:00,485 * It gets me down * 809 00:42:01,853 --> 00:42:05,190 * There's been a change * 810 00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:08,694 * Yeah, there's been a change of heart * 811 00:42:08,794 --> 00:42:13,064 * Said there's been a change * 812 00:42:14,299 --> 00:42:16,134 * You push just a little too far * 813 00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:17,836 * There's been a change * 814 00:42:17,903 --> 00:42:20,138 * You made it just a little too hard * 815 00:42:20,238 --> 00:42:21,907 * There's been a change * 816 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,011 * There's been a change of heart * 817 00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:32,550 * Oh, yeah * 818 00:42:32,618 --> 00:42:34,385 * Oh, boy * 819 00:42:34,452 --> 00:42:38,389 * Looks like we finally reached the turning point * 820 00:42:38,456 --> 00:42:42,360 * Oh, me, oh, my * 821 00:42:42,427 --> 00:42:46,397 * Looks like it's time for me to kiss it goodbye * 822 00:42:46,464 --> 00:42:51,136 * Yeah, I can kiss it goodbye * 823 00:42:51,937 --> 00:42:55,974 * There's been a change * 824 00:42:56,107 --> 00:42:58,944 * Yeah, there's been a change of heart * 825 00:42:59,044 --> 00:43:03,481 * Said there's been a change * 826 00:43:04,315 --> 00:43:06,384 * You push just a little too far * 827 00:43:06,451 --> 00:43:08,119 * There's been a change * 828 00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:10,521 * You made it just a little too hard * 829 00:43:10,622 --> 00:43:12,423 * There's been a change * 830 00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:16,327 * There's been a change of heart * 831 00:43:19,464 --> 00:43:20,932 * Oh, oh. * 832 00:43:21,032 --> 00:43:23,201 (electric guitar solo playing) 833 00:43:44,489 --> 00:43:46,692 * * 834 00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:53,364 (song ends) 835 00:43:53,498 --> 00:43:55,500 -What's next? -I don't know. 836 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,168 If we ain't in it, I ain't volunteering. 837 00:43:57,302 --> 00:44:00,338 CROWE: I definitely wanted to ask about the concept 838 00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:01,973 of the "You Got Lucky" film. 839 00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:04,209 How did it come about? 840 00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:10,315 Well, the concept for that film, I, uh... 841 00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:14,185 always pictured that song-- in the production of the song, 842 00:44:14,285 --> 00:44:16,287 not the song itself but in the actual production, 843 00:44:16,354 --> 00:44:19,124 I wanted it to have this Ennio Morricone, 844 00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:22,828 kind of Clint Eastwood Western feel, 845 00:44:22,894 --> 00:44:26,297 where it's sort of eerie 846 00:44:26,364 --> 00:44:28,533 but still daytime. 847 00:44:28,633 --> 00:44:30,335 (wind whistling) 848 00:44:30,401 --> 00:44:32,570 * * 849 00:44:53,992 --> 00:44:56,194 * * 850 00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:14,746 * 851 00:45:34,232 --> 00:45:36,601 -("You Got Lucky" playing) -* One, two * 852 00:45:53,484 --> 00:45:56,321 * You better watch what you say * 853 00:45:57,789 --> 00:46:01,726 * You better watch what you do to me * 854 00:46:01,793 --> 00:46:04,896 * Don't get carried away * 855 00:46:06,131 --> 00:46:11,402 * Girl, if you can do better than me, go * 856 00:46:13,604 --> 00:46:15,974 * Yeah, go * 857 00:46:17,275 --> 00:46:18,609 * But remember * 858 00:46:18,676 --> 00:46:22,647 * Good love is hard to find * 859 00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:26,051 * Good love is hard to find * 860 00:46:26,151 --> 00:46:29,220 * You got lucky, babe * 861 00:46:30,155 --> 00:46:33,859 * You got lucky, babe * 862 00:46:33,992 --> 00:46:35,726 * When I found you * 863 00:46:43,768 --> 00:46:47,105 * You put a hand on my cheek * 864 00:46:48,106 --> 00:46:51,476 * And then you turned your eyes away * 865 00:46:51,542 --> 00:46:55,346 * If you don't feel complete * 866 00:46:56,447 --> 00:46:59,617 * If I don't take you all of the way * 867 00:46:59,684 --> 00:47:01,853 * Then go * 868 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,257 * Yeah, go * 869 00:47:07,158 --> 00:47:09,027 * But remember * 870 00:47:09,127 --> 00:47:13,198 * Good love is hard to find * 871 00:47:13,298 --> 00:47:16,101 * Good love is hard to find * 872 00:47:16,201 --> 00:47:19,204 * You got lucky, babe * 873 00:47:20,205 --> 00:47:23,875 * You got lucky, babe * 874 00:47:24,009 --> 00:47:26,411 * When I found you * 875 00:47:26,544 --> 00:47:28,779 (electric guitar solo playing) 876 00:47:41,392 --> 00:47:43,694 * Yeah, go * 877 00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:48,299 * Just go * 878 00:47:49,234 --> 00:47:50,435 * But remember * 879 00:47:50,568 --> 00:47:54,072 * Good love is hard to find * 880 00:47:54,172 --> 00:47:57,909 * Good love is hard to find * 881 00:47:58,043 --> 00:48:00,946 * You got lucky, babe * 882 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:05,917 * You got lucky, babe * 883 00:48:06,051 --> 00:48:08,186 * When I found you. * 884 00:48:08,253 --> 00:48:10,421 * * 885 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:34,779 * * 886 00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:58,636 (song fades) 887 00:48:59,637 --> 00:49:02,773 So when we went to write, you know, the movie, 888 00:49:02,873 --> 00:49:04,976 I really just wanted an excuse to go 889 00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:08,946 play around in the desert and stuff, you know. 890 00:49:09,047 --> 00:49:10,481 But, uh... 891 00:49:10,615 --> 00:49:13,118 So I didn't try to adhere to the song or anything. 892 00:49:13,218 --> 00:49:15,453 I just thought we'd go for a-a vibe, 893 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,756 you know, like that kind-- some kind of feel that was fun. 894 00:49:18,823 --> 00:49:20,325 (laughter, chatter) 895 00:49:20,425 --> 00:49:22,627 No more synthesizers on these fucking records. 896 00:49:22,727 --> 00:49:24,029 -(laughter) -That's what I want to hear. 897 00:49:24,129 --> 00:49:25,630 We're going back to our fucking roots. 898 00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:27,432 -That's what I want to hear. -We're gonna be pure, 899 00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:29,367 like back when we made the first album. 900 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,336 ("A One Story Town" playing) 901 00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:37,675 * Oh, I'm lost in a one-story town * 902 00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:44,049 * Where everything's close to the ground * 903 00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:49,020 * Yeah, the same shit goes down * 904 00:49:49,154 --> 00:49:51,856 * Nothing turns around * 905 00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:57,862 * It's a one-story town * 906 00:49:59,297 --> 00:50:01,399 * * 907 00:50:10,808 --> 00:50:15,146 * Yeah, I'm lost in a one-story town... * 908 00:50:15,213 --> 00:50:18,716 Yeah, I don't know, man. Every tour is pretty crushing. 909 00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:21,419 This one that's coming up is gonna be 910 00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,221 just a piece of cake, though. 911 00:50:23,321 --> 00:50:25,490 (crowd clamoring) 912 00:50:31,896 --> 00:50:34,399 TOM: Just get 'em out, man. 913 00:50:34,499 --> 00:50:36,534 Just take 'em both out. 914 00:50:36,601 --> 00:50:38,736 (crowd cheering) 915 00:50:42,073 --> 00:50:44,275 Man, it's like, you know, I don't know if you understand it, 916 00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,177 we care about what we're doing here. 917 00:50:46,244 --> 00:50:49,380 We came to play for you, not to fight, you know. 918 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,649 (crowd cheering) 919 00:50:58,689 --> 00:51:00,891 (playing "Straight into Darkness") 920 00:51:00,991 --> 00:51:04,762 * We went straight into darkness * 921 00:51:04,862 --> 00:51:07,965 * Out over the line * 922 00:51:08,833 --> 00:51:12,703 * Yeah, straight into darkness * 923 00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:14,905 * Straight into night... * 924 00:51:15,005 --> 00:51:16,774 MAN: Sorry about that disturbance down front. 925 00:51:16,874 --> 00:51:18,276 I don't know who that was, but... 926 00:51:18,376 --> 00:51:19,877 Well, it's just, you know, just... 927 00:51:19,944 --> 00:51:22,147 Let-let me apologize for those inconsiderate Americans... 928 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,914 Yeah, well, I mean, I-I wouldn't... 929 00:51:23,981 --> 00:51:26,917 ...that-that make this hard on all of the other-other Americans 930 00:51:26,984 --> 00:51:28,586 that are trying to at least, you know, get over. 931 00:51:28,653 --> 00:51:30,221 Yeah, I-I wouldn't hang that on you guys, 932 00:51:30,288 --> 00:51:32,423 you know, but it's just-- it's real hard to play 933 00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:33,858 and, like, get into the songs and stuff 934 00:51:33,958 --> 00:51:36,093 with these guys punching it out down there. 935 00:51:36,161 --> 00:51:37,428 -MAN 2: It really sucks. -You know? 936 00:51:37,528 --> 00:51:39,164 They'd be better off doing that outside 937 00:51:39,297 --> 00:51:41,532 or-or on the base or in the war or something, you know? 938 00:51:41,632 --> 00:51:43,100 It's like, fuck it at a rock show. 939 00:51:43,201 --> 00:51:44,669 (indistinct chatter) 940 00:51:44,769 --> 00:51:46,637 But, you know, I just, I just get real worried 941 00:51:46,737 --> 00:51:48,873 that, uh, you know, I see these little kids down front. 942 00:51:48,973 --> 00:51:50,475 I get real worried that, you know, 943 00:51:50,608 --> 00:51:51,976 somebody's gonna swing and-- You know, if he wants 944 00:51:52,076 --> 00:51:53,344 to kick this guy's ass, fine, you know, 945 00:51:53,444 --> 00:51:54,879 if he wants to knock him down, 946 00:51:54,979 --> 00:51:56,947 but if he's gonna hit the girl standing next to the guy, 947 00:51:57,014 --> 00:51:58,649 you know, how the fuck can I... 948 00:51:58,749 --> 00:52:00,351 how can I sing the song, you know? 949 00:52:00,485 --> 00:52:02,620 -Oh! -CROWD: Oh! 950 00:52:02,687 --> 00:52:04,689 -Oh! -Oh! 951 00:52:04,822 --> 00:52:07,024 (playing "Kings Road") 952 00:52:20,505 --> 00:52:22,773 * On the old Kings Road * 953 00:52:24,108 --> 00:52:26,043 * The old Kings Road * 954 00:52:27,978 --> 00:52:29,380 * Oh! * 955 00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:33,384 * Whoa * 956 00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:35,686 * On the old Kings Road * 957 00:52:35,786 --> 00:52:37,588 * * 958 00:52:59,644 --> 00:53:01,846 * * 959 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:07,418 (crowd cheering) 960 00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:12,990 (crowd clapping rhythmically) 961 00:53:13,057 --> 00:53:15,260 * * 962 00:53:37,782 --> 00:53:39,917 (cheering and rhythmic clapping continues) 963 00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:43,220 * 964 00:53:53,931 --> 00:53:56,834 (piano solo playing) 965 00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,295 * * 966 00:54:53,691 --> 00:54:55,860 * * 967 00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:08,339 (band joins in) 968 00:55:30,728 --> 00:55:33,431 * Out on the old Kings Road * 969 00:55:34,565 --> 00:55:37,034 * The old Kings Road * 970 00:55:38,603 --> 00:55:40,237 * Whoa! * 971 00:55:42,006 --> 00:55:43,841 * Oh * 972 00:55:43,908 --> 00:55:46,243 * Out on the old Kings Road. * 973 00:56:02,026 --> 00:56:04,294 (tempo slows, band playing flourish) 974 00:56:23,313 --> 00:56:25,082 (song ends) 975 00:56:25,182 --> 00:56:27,217 TOM: Think about it, you know? I mean, you just live your life. 976 00:56:27,317 --> 00:56:28,886 You don't worry-- you don't change 977 00:56:28,986 --> 00:56:32,089 when you go through the door at home or out onto the stage. 978 00:56:32,189 --> 00:56:34,258 I mean, my friends have seen things 979 00:56:34,358 --> 00:56:37,528 go down here that they'll never see onstage. 980 00:56:38,429 --> 00:56:39,730 (laughs) 981 00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:42,467 So, no, I don't... I don't ever feel like I'm... 982 00:56:42,567 --> 00:56:46,471 I hate those, uh, rock stars or whatever that-- 983 00:56:46,604 --> 00:56:48,439 I hate any artist when I always hear, 984 00:56:48,573 --> 00:56:51,308 "Well, there's me and there's the character. 985 00:56:51,442 --> 00:56:53,243 -There's me, you know?" -CROWE: Right. 986 00:56:53,310 --> 00:56:56,781 "There's me-- that's usually my real name-- and him. 987 00:56:56,881 --> 00:56:59,750 Now, him--" You know, it's the Jerry Lewis syndrome of 988 00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:01,452 the idiot and-and Jerry. 989 00:57:01,552 --> 00:57:04,221 You know, what a load of shit. I mean, it's you, man. 990 00:57:04,288 --> 00:57:06,924 It ain't him and me, you know. 991 00:57:07,024 --> 00:57:09,326 And I don't think-- I could-- I would go nuts doing that. 992 00:57:09,426 --> 00:57:13,764 I can't pretend to be T.P. and then come home and not be. 993 00:57:13,864 --> 00:57:15,466 No, I'm the same guy. 994 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,201 -(playing "Shout") -* You know you make me wanna * 995 00:57:17,301 --> 00:57:19,269 -* Shout * -* Come on * 996 00:57:19,369 --> 00:57:22,072 -* Shout, shout * -* Come on, now, come on, now * 997 00:57:22,139 --> 00:57:24,609 -* Shout * -* Come on, now * 998 00:57:24,675 --> 00:57:26,644 -* Shout * -* Just a little bit louder now * 999 00:57:26,744 --> 00:57:28,613 -* Shout * -* A little bit louder now * 1000 00:57:28,713 --> 00:57:30,548 -* Shout * -* Little bit louder now * 1001 00:57:30,648 --> 00:57:32,483 -* Shout * -* Little bit louder * 1002 00:57:32,583 --> 00:57:34,952 * Whoa, oh, whoa, oh * 1003 00:57:35,019 --> 00:57:36,921 * Whoa, oh, whoa, oh * 1004 00:57:36,987 --> 00:57:38,956 * Whoa, oh, whoa, oh * 1005 00:57:39,023 --> 00:57:40,691 * Whoa, oh, whoa, oh * 1006 00:57:40,791 --> 00:57:42,660 * Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah * 1007 00:57:42,793 --> 00:57:44,662 * Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah * 1008 00:57:44,762 --> 00:57:46,631 * Whoa, oh, whoa, oh * 1009 00:57:46,697 --> 00:57:48,533 -* Whoa, oh, whoa, oh... * -(shouts) 1010 00:57:49,967 --> 00:57:52,503 CROWE: When people get up in front of a stage, 1011 00:57:52,603 --> 00:57:55,339 in front of hundreds of thousands of people, 1012 00:57:55,472 --> 00:58:00,511 they always go, "This is an amazing sight." 1013 00:58:00,611 --> 00:58:04,649 I'm here to ask you, is it really an amazing sight? 1014 00:58:04,749 --> 00:58:05,983 It can be, yeah. 1015 00:58:06,050 --> 00:58:08,285 I mean, that night, it was an amazing sight. 1016 00:58:08,352 --> 00:58:10,487 (tempo slows, band playing flourish) 1017 00:58:10,555 --> 00:58:12,723 (crowd cheering) 1018 00:58:37,147 --> 00:58:39,283 * * 1019 00:59:04,241 --> 00:59:06,711 -(song ends) -(crowd cheering) 1020 00:59:06,811 --> 00:59:09,446 One of the best new songs that you have 1021 00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:11,348 definitely is "Straight into Darkness." 1022 00:59:11,415 --> 00:59:14,518 And a lot of people have been paying attention to the lyrics, 1023 00:59:14,585 --> 00:59:17,187 particularly the last verse where you say, uh, 1024 00:59:17,254 --> 00:59:18,889 "I don't believe the good times are over, 1025 00:59:18,989 --> 00:59:21,325 I don't believe the thrill is all gone." 1026 00:59:21,425 --> 00:59:23,427 I wondered when you wrote that if you thought 1027 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,195 that people might pick up on that. 1028 00:59:25,262 --> 00:59:27,131 There's nothing wrong with optimism. 1029 00:59:27,231 --> 00:59:31,068 It's, uh... it's still in vogue to... 1030 00:59:31,135 --> 00:59:33,604 to have a little, um... 1031 00:59:33,738 --> 00:59:39,143 you know, faith in, uh, people and that sort of thing. 1032 00:59:39,243 --> 00:59:42,246 And just, you know, some people can keep that. 1033 00:59:42,312 --> 00:59:44,815 Some people can make the-- a leap of faith, 1034 00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:47,251 as they say, or they can't. 1035 00:59:47,351 --> 00:59:49,319 That's-that's really what that was about. 1036 00:59:49,453 --> 00:59:52,156 That's really what that song was about. 1037 00:59:52,923 --> 00:59:55,092 But, uh, I'm really glad. Yeah. 1038 00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:56,761 People have come up to me, and they all-- 1039 00:59:56,861 --> 00:59:58,262 they quote me that line. 1040 00:59:58,328 --> 01:00:00,631 And if that inspires them, if that lifts them up, 1041 01:00:00,731 --> 01:00:03,300 then that's really the highest compliment 1042 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,136 that we can be paid, you know, because, um... 1043 01:00:07,471 --> 01:00:09,974 You know, all we can hope to do is inspire. 1044 01:00:10,074 --> 01:00:12,109 (playing "Straight into Darkness") 1045 01:00:12,209 --> 01:00:14,378 (crowd cheering) 1046 01:00:42,106 --> 01:00:45,943 * There was a little girl, I used to know her * 1047 01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:50,080 * I still think about her, time to time * 1048 01:00:50,180 --> 01:00:54,118 * There was a moment when I, I really loved her * 1049 01:00:54,184 --> 01:00:58,255 * Then one day, the feeling just died * 1050 01:00:59,123 --> 01:01:03,293 * We went straight into darkness * 1051 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,296 * Out over the line * 1052 01:01:07,297 --> 01:01:10,534 * Yeah, straight into darkness * 1053 01:01:11,368 --> 01:01:13,738 * Straight into night * 1054 01:01:13,871 --> 01:01:16,974 (electric guitar solo playing) 1055 01:01:30,187 --> 01:01:32,422 (piano solo playing) 1056 01:01:34,624 --> 01:01:36,794 (crowd cheering) 1057 01:01:45,569 --> 01:01:48,072 (electric guitar solo playing) 1058 01:02:04,254 --> 01:02:05,756 Come on. 1059 01:02:07,024 --> 01:02:09,193 * * 1060 01:02:16,166 --> 01:02:20,504 * I don't believe the good times are over * 1061 01:02:20,604 --> 01:02:24,408 * I don't believe the thrill is all gone * 1062 01:02:24,474 --> 01:02:28,578 * Real love is a man's salvation * 1063 01:02:28,645 --> 01:02:33,717 * The weak ones fall, the strong carry on * 1064 01:02:33,784 --> 01:02:36,620 * Straight into darkness * 1065 01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:40,390 * Out over the line * 1066 01:02:41,691 --> 01:02:44,962 * Yeah, straight into darkness * 1067 01:02:45,095 --> 01:02:49,900 * Straight into night * 1068 01:02:49,967 --> 01:02:52,169 * * 1069 01:02:55,139 --> 01:02:56,673 * Whoa * 1070 01:02:59,009 --> 01:03:00,510 * Yeah. * 1071 01:03:19,663 --> 01:03:21,832 * * 1072 01:03:35,179 --> 01:03:37,814 (tempo slows, band playing flourish) 1073 01:03:37,915 --> 01:03:40,084 (crowd cheering) 1074 01:03:41,751 --> 01:03:42,652 (song ends) 1075 01:03:42,752 --> 01:03:44,288 Oh, it was great. It was great. 1076 01:03:46,456 --> 01:03:49,826 * Heartbreakers beach party * 1077 01:03:49,894 --> 01:03:51,395 * Yeah! * 1078 01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:56,200 * Heartbreakers beach party * 1079 01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:57,701 -* Yeah! * -(song stops) 1080 01:04:01,705 --> 01:04:03,207 It's a very special guitar to me 1081 01:04:03,307 --> 01:04:06,243 'cause this is the one that I play at home. 1082 01:04:07,644 --> 01:04:09,713 When I write songs-- 1083 01:04:09,813 --> 01:04:13,283 there's one now-- comes very natural to me. 1084 01:04:13,383 --> 01:04:15,419 How about a Spanish flavor? 1085 01:04:16,786 --> 01:04:18,989 How about back to the American? 1086 01:04:20,824 --> 01:04:22,226 Country blues? 1087 01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:24,061 You got it. 1088 01:04:24,161 --> 01:04:25,495 Rock and roll. 1089 01:04:26,496 --> 01:04:27,932 Spanish. 1090 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,902 It's all the same. 1091 01:04:32,336 --> 01:04:33,938 Hi. I'm Cameron Crowe. 1092 01:04:34,071 --> 01:04:35,472 I've been writing about music for the last ten years and-- 1093 01:04:35,572 --> 01:04:37,874 Fuck. Okay, start all over again. 1094 01:04:37,942 --> 01:04:40,877 Now for the first time, I can take you with me. 1095 01:04:40,978 --> 01:04:43,380 And it's my... (laughs) Fuck. 1096 01:04:43,447 --> 01:04:44,748 Now for the first time, 1097 01:04:44,848 --> 01:04:47,384 I can take you with me for a video profile. 1098 01:04:47,451 --> 01:04:48,585 To suit the occasion, 1099 01:04:48,685 --> 01:04:50,187 we're gonna visit one of my favorite bands, 1100 01:04:50,254 --> 01:04:52,222 Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. 1101 01:04:52,322 --> 01:04:53,757 I looked around a lot. 1102 01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,296 When we were looking at some of the footage recently, Adria, 1103 01:04:59,396 --> 01:05:01,698 we-we came across this one setting 1104 01:05:01,765 --> 01:05:03,200 that was never in 1105 01:05:03,267 --> 01:05:05,235 the original Heartbreakers Beach Party cut. 1106 01:05:05,335 --> 01:05:09,173 And it's Tom and me here on Mulholland Drive. 1107 01:05:09,273 --> 01:05:11,275 One guy was timeless: Tom. 1108 01:05:11,408 --> 01:05:14,979 The other guy totally stuck in the early '80s: me. 1109 01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,282 -But I'm so happy to be here with you... -Aw. 1110 01:05:18,382 --> 01:05:21,585 ...right now kind of talking about what that time was. 1111 01:05:21,651 --> 01:05:23,720 Yeah, the-the band was famous at that point 1112 01:05:23,787 --> 01:05:25,322 but only for a couple years. 1113 01:05:25,422 --> 01:05:27,924 They're still very much bonded as a group. 1114 01:05:28,025 --> 01:05:29,493 They're just kind of like rascals. 1115 01:05:29,626 --> 01:05:31,561 They're just fun, and they're mischievous, 1116 01:05:31,628 --> 01:05:33,497 at the height of their '80s powers, 1117 01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:36,967 but a time when the world wasn't embracing creative types 1118 01:05:37,067 --> 01:05:40,870 or real guitars or, you know, anything other than synth. 1119 01:05:42,172 --> 01:05:44,641 I went into this thinking Long After Dark was 1120 01:05:44,741 --> 01:05:48,745 one of the lesser albums, and I come out of it thinking 1121 01:05:48,812 --> 01:05:50,514 it's one of the more important albums 1122 01:05:50,647 --> 01:05:52,382 because it embraced a darkness. 1123 01:05:52,482 --> 01:05:54,484 -He's exactly at that spot. -Yeah. 1124 01:05:54,584 --> 01:05:58,455 Because it's that explosion of, like, the later '70s, 1125 01:05:58,522 --> 01:06:00,824 and now MTV is coming in. 1126 01:06:00,924 --> 01:06:01,958 And he-he sees it. 1127 01:06:02,059 --> 01:06:04,594 He sees how the road can divide 1128 01:06:04,661 --> 01:06:06,596 and become something less authentic. 1129 01:06:06,663 --> 01:06:10,467 And I think in the outtakes and stuff, you really see that theme 1130 01:06:10,534 --> 01:06:12,536 that he's like, "I'm gonna plant my flag." 1131 01:06:12,636 --> 01:06:15,472 Yeah, he's making a huge effort to promote that record 1132 01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:18,542 by making this film and opening up to you like that. 1133 01:06:18,675 --> 01:06:22,812 And-and I don't think he ever did it again after 1983. 1134 01:06:22,879 --> 01:06:25,415 -MAN: Here we go. -Okay, let's go! 1135 01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:28,618 -(footsteps approaching) -(laughing) 1136 01:06:28,685 --> 01:06:30,387 Come on. 1137 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,456 (laughter) 1138 01:06:32,522 --> 01:06:35,659 I can't do it. Okay. 1139 01:06:35,725 --> 01:06:38,062 MAN: We have, we have speed. 1140 01:06:38,195 --> 01:06:40,530 -All right. Roll one. -We've got it. 1141 01:06:40,664 --> 01:06:42,166 I'm Cameron Crowe. 1142 01:06:42,266 --> 01:06:45,635 I'm sitting here talking with Tom Petty in his music room. 1143 01:06:45,702 --> 01:06:48,205 -Music room of his house. -(whistles musically) 1144 01:06:48,338 --> 01:06:50,374 What is this room for you? Kind of a retreat? 1145 01:06:50,507 --> 01:06:53,610 -You record demos here? -TOM: Yeah, all of the above. 1146 01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:56,213 I just bang out little demos and bring them in 1147 01:06:56,313 --> 01:06:58,014 to the band and play them, 1148 01:06:58,082 --> 01:07:00,184 and then they usually change the arrangement completely, 1149 01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:02,919 and, uh, and we go back to square one. 1150 01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:06,590 Did you write most of the Long After Dark album in this room? 1151 01:07:06,723 --> 01:07:07,991 Yeah, I did, actually. 1152 01:07:08,058 --> 01:07:10,560 I-I wrote every track in this room. 1153 01:07:10,694 --> 01:07:12,129 CROWE: Well, we're sitting here 1154 01:07:12,229 --> 01:07:14,564 on the eve of the release of your single, 1155 01:07:14,664 --> 01:07:16,500 -"You Got Lucky." -Mm. 1156 01:07:16,566 --> 01:07:17,934 And I don't know. 1157 01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:19,736 Traditionally, how do you feel at this point? 1158 01:07:19,836 --> 01:07:23,006 Like, you finished the album. It's about to come out. 1159 01:07:23,073 --> 01:07:26,543 Do you still feel that kind of phantom limb thing of, 1160 01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:28,878 "It's still there, I'm still working on it, 1161 01:07:28,978 --> 01:07:32,182 I can still change something if I want"? 1162 01:07:32,249 --> 01:07:35,219 Yeah, I mostly just, uh... 1163 01:07:35,319 --> 01:07:38,155 I feel nervous, you know, like I always do 1164 01:07:38,255 --> 01:07:40,390 before you put a record out. 1165 01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:44,428 You-you live with it so long, and then when it's finally done, 1166 01:07:44,528 --> 01:07:45,895 you don't want to hear it anymore 1167 01:07:45,962 --> 01:07:48,232 because you've heard it so much, you know? 1168 01:07:48,298 --> 01:07:51,067 And now I just, I just want to hear it on the radio. 1169 01:07:51,168 --> 01:07:52,402 ("You Got Lucky" playing) 1170 01:07:52,502 --> 01:07:55,139 * If you don't feel complete * 1171 01:07:56,373 --> 01:07:59,443 * If I don't take you all of the way * 1172 01:07:59,576 --> 01:08:02,045 * Then go * 1173 01:08:03,547 --> 01:08:05,982 * Yeah, go * 1174 01:08:07,050 --> 01:08:08,418 Sing it, Howie. 1175 01:08:08,518 --> 01:08:12,789 * Good love is hard to find * 1176 01:08:12,889 --> 01:08:15,959 * Good love is hard to find * 1177 01:08:16,091 --> 01:08:18,728 (singing along): * You got lucky, babe * 1178 01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:22,631 * You got lucky, babe * 1179 01:08:23,767 --> 01:08:25,301 * When I found you... * 1180 01:08:25,402 --> 01:08:27,103 CROWE: He wanted to get a limo 1181 01:08:27,203 --> 01:08:30,274 and do part of the interview in a limo heading nowhere 1182 01:08:30,374 --> 01:08:34,144 just to spoof the rock star life. 1183 01:08:37,781 --> 01:08:40,649 Yeah, I always, uh, roll my own cigarettes. 1184 01:08:41,618 --> 01:08:45,322 I think you got to ride in these things while you can, 1185 01:08:45,421 --> 01:08:48,524 because, uh, you know, next year, I might be 1186 01:08:48,625 --> 01:08:51,661 -back to that old Cortina. -(laughs) 1187 01:08:51,761 --> 01:08:52,996 You know, so I'm just-- 1188 01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:55,465 I'm having a big time while I can. 1189 01:08:55,564 --> 01:08:57,834 And so far, it hasn't affected my music 1190 01:08:57,934 --> 01:09:00,304 in the least, you know. 1191 01:09:00,370 --> 01:09:02,305 CROWE: I wanted to, uh, ask you about 1192 01:09:02,372 --> 01:09:05,841 the inspiration for the "You Got Lucky" video. 1193 01:09:05,942 --> 01:09:08,645 TOM: I just got my mind into an altered state 1194 01:09:08,712 --> 01:09:10,479 and, uh, started throwing things out, 1195 01:09:10,546 --> 01:09:12,182 and Lenahan would try to calm me down. 1196 01:09:12,282 --> 01:09:15,118 It probably would have been, you know, the budget 1197 01:09:15,185 --> 01:09:17,821 for Apocalypse Now if I had gone on, 1198 01:09:17,886 --> 01:09:19,756 you know, what I was trying to do. 1199 01:09:19,856 --> 01:09:22,626 * You got lucky, babe * 1200 01:09:22,692 --> 01:09:25,127 * When I found you... * 1201 01:09:26,529 --> 01:09:28,163 CROWE: You guys hit upon this idea, 1202 01:09:28,232 --> 01:09:29,698 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. 1203 01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:31,501 MIKE: Yeah, that was Tom's idea, really. 1204 01:09:31,568 --> 01:09:33,703 And the first time we did it, it just sounded so bizarre, 1205 01:09:33,803 --> 01:09:35,505 we had to keep it, you know, 'cause it's just like-- 1206 01:09:35,572 --> 01:09:39,209 the song is so serious, and this ridiculous guitar comes in. 1207 01:09:39,343 --> 01:09:41,345 It kind of adds some comic relief, I think. 1208 01:09:41,411 --> 01:09:45,715 * Good love is hard to find... * 1209 01:09:45,814 --> 01:09:48,518 BENMONT: First time I met Tom Petty, he threw me out of 1210 01:09:48,585 --> 01:09:51,255 Lipham's Music store for playing "Pictures of Matchstick Men" 1211 01:09:51,354 --> 01:09:54,023 on two grand pianos simultaneously 1212 01:09:54,122 --> 01:09:55,525 for a half hour straight. 1213 01:09:55,625 --> 01:09:57,861 I think about, like, just kind of, like, you know, 1214 01:09:57,927 --> 01:09:59,563 how much fun it is to be in a rock band 1215 01:09:59,663 --> 01:10:01,030 and how cool it is 1216 01:10:01,097 --> 01:10:02,532 and that it's probably not gonna be here forever. 1217 01:10:02,599 --> 01:10:06,303 You have to savor that part of it. 1218 01:10:06,403 --> 01:10:09,072 MIKE: Last couple of tours, we bussed instead of flew. 1219 01:10:09,172 --> 01:10:11,040 You got to be a team. You got to be tuned in. 1220 01:10:11,107 --> 01:10:13,843 You got to like each other to play the kind of music 1221 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:15,044 we want to play. 1222 01:10:15,111 --> 01:10:16,880 CROWE: When and how 1223 01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:19,683 did you come up with the name the Heartbreakers? 1224 01:10:19,749 --> 01:10:21,418 (laughter) 1225 01:10:21,518 --> 01:10:24,087 -Howie'd probably remember that best. -(laughter, chatter) 1226 01:10:24,187 --> 01:10:26,423 For a while, we were gonna call ourselves, uh, Nightro. 1227 01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:28,725 We were Petty's Thieves for about two days. 1228 01:10:28,792 --> 01:10:31,261 We were The Pickups, too, for a little while. Remember that? 1229 01:10:31,361 --> 01:10:33,229 -That was a short one. -Yeah, that'd be a short one. 1230 01:10:33,297 --> 01:10:34,931 -Cheaters. -The Cheaters. -Cheaters. 1231 01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:37,501 -The King Bees for about a day. -Yeah, the King Bees. 1232 01:10:37,601 --> 01:10:39,569 We fell right on that Heartbreaker thing, though. 1233 01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:41,104 Seemed like a good name at the time. 1234 01:10:41,204 --> 01:10:43,206 -Better than Headaches. -I know. 1235 01:10:43,273 --> 01:10:45,509 -And we never got sued for it, right? -Yeah. 1236 01:10:46,676 --> 01:10:48,612 CROWE: He talks about family 1237 01:10:48,745 --> 01:10:51,114 in some of the footage, too, which he hadn't before. 1238 01:10:51,247 --> 01:10:54,851 And it was such a warm sequence in the interviews 1239 01:10:54,951 --> 01:10:56,986 where he kind of takes us to the outside 1240 01:10:57,086 --> 01:10:58,755 of your house, Fort Petty. 1241 01:10:58,855 --> 01:11:03,293 And there's... there's this kind of, uh, abandoned cart. 1242 01:11:03,393 --> 01:11:05,495 There's, uh, a flagpole, 1243 01:11:05,595 --> 01:11:08,965 and he talks about flags that he would, like, run up the pole. 1244 01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:12,168 Like, the most personal I'd ever seen him, 1245 01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:15,305 because there was a thought early on that's, like, 1246 01:11:15,405 --> 01:11:17,774 these guys only live in a band context. 1247 01:11:17,841 --> 01:11:19,142 They're all kind of rogue guys 1248 01:11:19,242 --> 01:11:21,277 that you'll never know too much about. 1249 01:11:21,378 --> 01:11:23,279 But here he is, like, at your house, 1250 01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:24,848 talking about family, 1251 01:11:24,948 --> 01:11:29,185 love, togetherness and Fort Petty. 1252 01:11:29,285 --> 01:11:31,821 Welcome to part two of "Yammering with Cameron." 1253 01:11:31,955 --> 01:11:35,792 Well, let's yammer a little bit about your, uh, your neighbors. 1254 01:11:35,859 --> 01:11:38,194 What do they think of your flag there? 1255 01:11:38,328 --> 01:11:40,397 Depends on which flag you fly, Cameron. 1256 01:11:40,497 --> 01:11:41,898 -Uh... -(laughs) 1257 01:11:41,998 --> 01:11:43,199 Yeah, the state of Florida 1258 01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:45,369 hasn't brought a, uh, vicious response. 1259 01:11:45,469 --> 01:11:48,538 And I haven't got the skull and crossbones up yet, 1260 01:11:48,638 --> 01:11:49,639 -so I don't know. -(laughs) 1261 01:11:49,739 --> 01:11:51,641 But I-I like to have a flag up, 1262 01:11:51,708 --> 01:11:53,977 you know, just... 1263 01:11:54,043 --> 01:11:56,680 -I like flags. -(laughs) 1264 01:11:56,813 --> 01:12:00,517 Um, you live on the outskirts of L.A. 1265 01:12:00,617 --> 01:12:01,785 Yeah. 1266 01:12:01,851 --> 01:12:03,687 In fact, a lot of people don't really realize 1267 01:12:03,787 --> 01:12:06,055 that you live where you do. 1268 01:12:06,189 --> 01:12:09,325 That's the way we like it. No. Uh, yeah, that's correct. 1269 01:12:09,426 --> 01:12:11,395 They all think we live in Florida still. 1270 01:12:11,528 --> 01:12:12,829 L.A.'s really home. 1271 01:12:12,896 --> 01:12:15,799 I mean, I've lived here eight years, more, 1272 01:12:15,865 --> 01:12:18,902 maybe eight and a half years, a long time. 1273 01:12:19,002 --> 01:12:21,805 This is home more than anywhere now. 1274 01:12:21,871 --> 01:12:24,073 Strange but true. 1275 01:12:24,207 --> 01:12:25,509 And that house then, of course, 1276 01:12:25,575 --> 01:12:27,711 was burned down later by an arsonist. 1277 01:12:27,811 --> 01:12:30,013 Then we went on the Dylan/Petty tour, 1278 01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:33,082 and that created the whole second era of my dad's life. 1279 01:12:33,216 --> 01:12:35,351 -CROWE: Do it again, Phil. Good. -PHIL: At last. -(device beeps) 1280 01:12:37,053 --> 01:12:38,955 What do you think of your singing voice? 1281 01:12:39,055 --> 01:12:42,058 -Oh. -A lot of people give you tips over the years? 1282 01:12:42,158 --> 01:12:44,327 Tips on how to sing? 1283 01:12:44,394 --> 01:12:46,430 No, they don't, strangely enough. 1284 01:12:46,563 --> 01:12:47,964 It's the same old story. 1285 01:12:48,064 --> 01:12:51,367 You just try to make the tune as believable as you can. 1286 01:12:51,435 --> 01:12:54,037 Now, whether you're on-key, off-key a little bit, 1287 01:12:54,103 --> 01:12:55,872 that and that and that, I don't worry about that. 1288 01:12:55,972 --> 01:12:57,774 It's just-- the only time I don't like my singing is 1289 01:12:57,907 --> 01:13:00,309 when it doesn't sound believable to me. 1290 01:13:00,410 --> 01:13:02,746 -(playing "I Need to Know") -(crowd cheering) 1291 01:13:04,047 --> 01:13:06,483 But, yeah, it was hard starting to be a lead singer. 1292 01:13:06,583 --> 01:13:09,419 There's a lot of screaming and weirdness. 1293 01:13:09,519 --> 01:13:13,356 * Well, the talk on the street say you might go solo * 1294 01:13:15,425 --> 01:13:19,496 * A good friend of mine saw you leaving by your back door * 1295 01:13:21,097 --> 01:13:24,067 * I need to know, I need to know * 1296 01:13:24,167 --> 01:13:25,268 * If you think... * 1297 01:13:25,368 --> 01:13:26,636 You got to learn a little bit about 1298 01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:28,337 how to use your voice, when to sing hard 1299 01:13:28,438 --> 01:13:29,806 and when you don't have to sing hard 1300 01:13:29,939 --> 01:13:31,741 and that stuff, just to make it last. 1301 01:13:31,808 --> 01:13:34,410 You know, I just try to keep it in good enough shape 1302 01:13:34,478 --> 01:13:35,979 that it can do the job. 1303 01:13:36,813 --> 01:13:39,749 * If you're making me wait * 1304 01:13:39,849 --> 01:13:42,385 * If you're leading me on * 1305 01:13:42,452 --> 01:13:44,588 * I need to know... * 1306 01:13:44,688 --> 01:13:46,956 -CROWE: What about the lyrics? -* I need to know... * 1307 01:13:47,056 --> 01:13:48,391 It's just always been hard for me 1308 01:13:48,458 --> 01:13:52,195 to sit and seriously talk about song lyrics. 1309 01:13:56,399 --> 01:13:58,468 You know, it's-it's real hard to tell somebody 1310 01:13:58,568 --> 01:14:00,403 about how you wrote a song or why you did it, 1311 01:14:00,470 --> 01:14:01,805 'cause you don't really know. 1312 01:14:01,938 --> 01:14:04,941 A lot of times, it just-- one of those things. 1313 01:14:05,008 --> 01:14:06,543 * If you think you're gonna leave * 1314 01:14:06,643 --> 01:14:09,479 * Then you better say so, I need to know * 1315 01:14:09,579 --> 01:14:10,780 * I need to know... * 1316 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,448 It's almost like something supernatural, 1317 01:14:12,549 --> 01:14:15,451 you know, 'cause it's just-- the antenna goes out, 1318 01:14:15,552 --> 01:14:17,320 the signal's received, 1319 01:14:17,420 --> 01:14:19,723 and then you lose the signal and it stops. 1320 01:14:19,823 --> 01:14:21,457 (laughs) You know? 1321 01:14:21,558 --> 01:14:23,459 -If that makes any sense. -Sure. 1322 01:14:23,527 --> 01:14:25,294 * I need to know. * 1323 01:14:25,361 --> 01:14:28,164 -(song ends) -(crowd cheering) 1324 01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:29,332 They drying out. 1325 01:14:29,465 --> 01:14:30,634 They're a little bit damp, 1326 01:14:30,734 --> 01:14:32,001 but it'll get dry with this method here. 1327 01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:33,469 MAN: Any skid marks we gonna see? 1328 01:14:33,537 --> 01:14:35,705 Uh, no, now I got them blue. (stammers) 1329 01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:37,607 * The look that's right * 1330 01:14:37,674 --> 01:14:39,776 * The Elmo look * 1331 01:14:39,843 --> 01:14:43,212 * That's movies, Elmo. * 1332 01:14:43,312 --> 01:14:44,814 (goofy voice): I'm gonna get a Hawaiian shirt 1333 01:14:44,881 --> 01:14:47,450 and a tape recorder and some cameras. (chuckles) 1334 01:14:47,517 --> 01:14:49,719 CROWE: This is, like, the cliché songwriter question, 1335 01:14:49,853 --> 01:14:55,091 but do the words come later or do you write them first? 1336 01:14:56,993 --> 01:14:59,996 Sometimes they come at the same time, 1337 01:15:00,063 --> 01:15:03,366 and sometimes they come first, and sometimes they come later. 1338 01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:07,203 * You think you're gonna take her away * 1339 01:15:07,303 --> 01:15:09,539 * With your money and your cocaine * 1340 01:15:09,639 --> 01:15:12,976 I remember that... that line came in, right? 1341 01:15:13,042 --> 01:15:14,243 "Your money and your cocaine." 1342 01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:16,479 And from there on, it was real easy. 1343 01:15:16,546 --> 01:15:18,414 You know, the song just was... 1344 01:15:20,249 --> 01:15:22,318 You know, just-- it was-- yeah. 1345 01:15:22,385 --> 01:15:24,954 -(playing "Listen to Her Heart") -* She's gonna listen to her heart * 1346 01:15:26,956 --> 01:15:30,293 * It's gonna tell her what to do * 1347 01:15:31,928 --> 01:15:34,230 * She might need a lot of loving * 1348 01:15:34,330 --> 01:15:37,033 * But she don't need you... * 1349 01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:40,737 CROWE: Is it, is it generally the songs that come quickly 1350 01:15:40,837 --> 01:15:44,674 and simply that become the remembered songs? 1351 01:15:44,741 --> 01:15:46,509 I don't know. I don't think there's any rule. 1352 01:15:46,576 --> 01:15:47,911 A lot of them, yeah. 1353 01:15:48,011 --> 01:15:49,879 I think those are generally the best ones 1354 01:15:49,979 --> 01:15:51,581 that-that just fly out. 1355 01:15:51,681 --> 01:15:53,883 * * 1356 01:15:56,152 --> 01:15:58,187 (song ends) 1357 01:15:58,254 --> 01:16:00,189 MAN: I'm confused about this number. 1358 01:16:00,256 --> 01:16:02,525 ADRIA: I love that this film's gonna see the light of day, 1359 01:16:02,592 --> 01:16:04,761 and I love that we get to remember 1360 01:16:04,861 --> 01:16:06,630 those times when it was being created. 1361 01:16:06,730 --> 01:16:08,965 'Cause it was a really magical time, 1362 01:16:09,098 --> 01:16:11,100 um, creatively for that band. 1363 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,570 CROWE: I remember Tom looked at a cut at Phil Savenick's house. 1364 01:16:14,638 --> 01:16:16,706 Phil was kind of our Lorne Michaels, 1365 01:16:16,773 --> 01:16:18,775 who had, like, done clip packages 1366 01:16:18,875 --> 01:16:21,577 for award shows in Hollywood for Disney. 1367 01:16:21,678 --> 01:16:23,079 -So, like, he knew TV. -Right. 1368 01:16:23,179 --> 01:16:25,414 And Phil, who is that guy to this day... 1369 01:16:25,481 --> 01:16:29,385 * Heartbreakers Beach Party, yeah. * 1370 01:16:29,452 --> 01:16:31,087 Phil was like, well, you know, 1371 01:16:31,187 --> 01:16:34,157 "We've got to have some elements where we're telling the story 1372 01:16:34,257 --> 01:16:35,825 "and we're just, like, talking about 1373 01:16:35,925 --> 01:16:37,260 rock star dreams and things." 1374 01:16:37,326 --> 01:16:38,728 And you can see in some of the outtakes, 1375 01:16:38,795 --> 01:16:40,496 Tom is like, "Hmm." 1376 01:16:40,596 --> 01:16:42,131 PHIL: This will be the last one we'll get out here, 1377 01:16:42,231 --> 01:16:43,800 and then you can go in-in the house and talk at length 1378 01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:46,302 about when you were little, what your dreams were, 1379 01:16:46,402 --> 01:16:49,405 -and whether now your dreams have really come true. -Boy. 1380 01:16:49,472 --> 01:16:52,776 Anyway, so he watched a cut at Phil's house, 1381 01:16:52,876 --> 01:16:55,278 and he said, um, "Why can't the music be 1382 01:16:55,344 --> 01:16:57,213 up a little more, be louder here?" 1383 01:16:57,313 --> 01:16:58,782 And Phil was like, 1384 01:16:58,848 --> 01:17:00,850 "Well, we don't want to drown out the-the words." 1385 01:17:00,984 --> 01:17:02,952 And-and Tom said, "Oh, come on, Gramps, 1386 01:17:03,019 --> 01:17:04,988 -let the kids have it up loud." -(laughs) 1387 01:17:05,088 --> 01:17:06,122 (static crackles) 1388 01:17:06,189 --> 01:17:07,791 (harmonizing) 1389 01:17:07,857 --> 01:17:10,259 * The boll weevil, the boll weevil * 1390 01:17:10,326 --> 01:17:13,462 * Is in my grass, is in my grass * 1391 01:17:13,529 --> 01:17:17,801 * Fly away, boll weevil, shoo. * 1392 01:17:17,901 --> 01:17:20,603 -CROWE: Are we rolling now? -MAN: Still rolling. 1393 01:17:21,504 --> 01:17:22,839 Hold on. Don't roll. 1394 01:17:22,939 --> 01:17:24,140 -Roll one. -Hey, I'm just getting a drink. 1395 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,675 Hold on a second here. 1396 01:17:25,775 --> 01:17:26,876 Tom... 1397 01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:28,477 (laughing) 1398 01:17:28,577 --> 01:17:30,780 -(laughter) -(hands clapping) 1399 01:17:30,847 --> 01:17:32,481 (indistinct chatter) 1400 01:17:32,548 --> 01:17:33,917 -PHIL: Okay, can we just-- -(clears throat) 1401 01:17:34,017 --> 01:17:36,485 Again, this is your-your half hour now, too. 1402 01:17:36,585 --> 01:17:37,787 -Ask the questions. -Okay. 1403 01:17:37,854 --> 01:17:39,055 -Do the setup yourself. -All right. 1404 01:17:39,155 --> 01:17:41,290 CROWE: Under the heading of 1405 01:17:41,357 --> 01:17:43,559 realizing dreams and so forth, 1406 01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:46,129 seems right around the time of Hard Promises, 1407 01:17:46,195 --> 01:17:49,332 there you are in a position where you've achieved a lot 1408 01:17:49,432 --> 01:17:51,200 that you might have set out to achieve. 1409 01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:54,070 And I wonder if you felt any need to comment 1410 01:17:54,203 --> 01:17:58,307 on your success or on that situation in that album. 1411 01:17:58,374 --> 01:18:01,177 Comment on the success in the album? 1412 01:18:01,277 --> 01:18:03,012 Well, I think we did, in a way. 1413 01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,414 Yeah. I think that, you know... 1414 01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:06,649 It's funny, when I was doing it, 1415 01:18:06,716 --> 01:18:08,217 I don't remember consciously doing it. 1416 01:18:08,317 --> 01:18:11,187 Now when I look back on that album, 1417 01:18:11,287 --> 01:18:13,689 I see all of that in the album. 1418 01:18:13,757 --> 01:18:15,859 I don't know if I'm reading it in, but I think it's there. 1419 01:18:15,959 --> 01:18:18,427 I think we just-- I think I was a little frightened 1420 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:21,664 by, you know, just everything that had gone on. 1421 01:18:22,665 --> 01:18:24,200 CROWE: It must be a difficult thing when you've spent 1422 01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:25,835 a lot of years with this band, 1423 01:18:25,902 --> 01:18:28,104 kinship and the spirit of being underdogs. 1424 01:18:28,204 --> 01:18:31,674 All of a sudden, there you are, one of the major bands, 1425 01:18:31,741 --> 01:18:35,078 you know, in America, if not the major American band. 1426 01:18:35,211 --> 01:18:37,146 You have to deal with another set of expectations. 1427 01:18:37,246 --> 01:18:39,715 You know, you're no longer the underdogs. 1428 01:18:39,783 --> 01:18:42,051 TOM: We always, uh, try to keep ourself 1429 01:18:42,118 --> 01:18:43,887 in that frame of mind, the underdog. 1430 01:18:43,987 --> 01:18:48,291 But it is, it is hard to-to go on, and, you know, 1431 01:18:48,424 --> 01:18:51,094 you know that they all want to see the-the Red Sea part 1432 01:18:51,227 --> 01:18:52,862 by the end of the show, you know, 1433 01:18:52,929 --> 01:18:54,663 or by the beginning or whenever. 1434 01:18:54,764 --> 01:18:57,566 But you just can't-- I can't anyway-- 1435 01:18:57,633 --> 01:18:59,235 I can't think about that too much. 1436 01:18:59,335 --> 01:19:02,105 If I think about that, it scares the hell out of me, you know? 1437 01:19:02,171 --> 01:19:04,941 I'm just-- I figure if I get caught up in that, 1438 01:19:05,008 --> 01:19:07,143 I'm of no good to anyone, you know, 1439 01:19:07,276 --> 01:19:12,615 so I just try to find something else to think about. 1440 01:19:12,681 --> 01:19:14,550 But it's there for sure. 1441 01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:18,121 Yeah, it's a real thing, but it's-it's no good 1442 01:19:18,187 --> 01:19:20,790 to-to get-- to live your life around it. 1443 01:19:20,857 --> 01:19:25,461 Yeah. Also, the cover was really interesting to me, 1444 01:19:25,528 --> 01:19:26,996 because here you are, 1445 01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:28,965 looking fairly anonymous on the cover of that album. 1446 01:19:29,065 --> 01:19:32,701 You know, it's just, like, Tom in a Mexican record store. 1447 01:19:32,802 --> 01:19:36,973 TOM: I think what really sold me on that cover was, uh, 1448 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,474 I thought, "Ah, this is perfect. 1449 01:19:38,541 --> 01:19:40,476 This is, this is exactly the mood of the album." 1450 01:19:40,576 --> 01:19:44,713 It was a little anonymous, and I wanted to do that. 1451 01:19:44,848 --> 01:19:48,317 I didn't want to come after Damn the Torpedoes 1452 01:19:48,384 --> 01:19:52,555 with, uh, Torpedoes 2, you know, 1453 01:19:52,655 --> 01:19:54,323 which would've been so simple to do 1454 01:19:54,423 --> 01:19:56,725 and such an obvious thing to do that I thought, 1455 01:19:56,860 --> 01:19:59,328 "Well, let's-let's go the other way and see-- 1456 01:19:59,395 --> 01:20:01,998 "and use this power... 1457 01:20:02,065 --> 01:20:04,067 to try to put something else on them," you know. 1458 01:20:04,167 --> 01:20:06,469 And-and I believe we were successful. 1459 01:20:06,535 --> 01:20:09,705 But it's always been real hard for the record industry 1460 01:20:09,805 --> 01:20:11,074 to understand us anyway. 1461 01:20:11,174 --> 01:20:12,741 I mean, I remember when we were-- 1462 01:20:12,842 --> 01:20:14,878 we did the first album, they wanted to change the cover 1463 01:20:14,978 --> 01:20:18,547 because I had on a leather jacket and, uh, bullets. 1464 01:20:18,647 --> 01:20:21,851 They thought it was gonna offend people. 1465 01:20:21,918 --> 01:20:23,386 And-and it's just gone along that, 1466 01:20:23,486 --> 01:20:25,388 "Well, are they this? Are they that? Are they this?" 1467 01:20:25,488 --> 01:20:27,090 You take the group out on the stage live, 1468 01:20:27,223 --> 01:20:29,592 -and-and I know what that is. -CROWE: Yeah. 1469 01:20:29,725 --> 01:20:32,295 TOM: But beyond that, I don't know what the group is. 1470 01:20:32,395 --> 01:20:34,097 It's a country group, it's a rock group, 1471 01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:36,332 it's all sorts of group-- and I-I don't think 1472 01:20:36,399 --> 01:20:37,901 it's fair for us to just go, 1473 01:20:38,034 --> 01:20:39,602 "Okay, well, we're gonna do this." 1474 01:20:39,735 --> 01:20:42,071 I think we'd break up in-in a month. 1475 01:20:42,171 --> 01:20:44,273 (device beeps) 1476 01:20:44,373 --> 01:20:47,543 CROWE: One of your best in many, many ways, 1477 01:20:47,643 --> 01:20:51,180 just even as far as the way I could see it, uh, 1478 01:20:51,247 --> 01:20:53,950 touch kids in high school and stuff 1479 01:20:54,083 --> 01:20:56,619 that were listening to it was "Even the Losers." 1480 01:20:56,752 --> 01:20:59,788 -Yeah. -Was that an easy song to write? 1481 01:21:00,723 --> 01:21:04,260 Yeah, it wasn't too complex. I came in... 1482 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,263 Was another one where I came in, I think, 1483 01:21:07,363 --> 01:21:12,001 with different words than, uh, I wound up with on the record. 1484 01:21:12,101 --> 01:21:13,602 But I-I just wrote it from, 1485 01:21:13,736 --> 01:21:16,572 uh, you know, from different experiences that I had. 1486 01:21:16,639 --> 01:21:18,975 I remember getting to the studio and singing. 1487 01:21:19,075 --> 01:21:21,544 I'd get to the chorus, and I didn't know what to sing. 1488 01:21:21,610 --> 01:21:23,913 You know, I had, like, the, you know... 1489 01:21:23,980 --> 01:21:26,549 * It couldn't have been, couldn't have been that easy * 1490 01:21:26,615 --> 01:21:29,485 * To forget about me * 1491 01:21:29,618 --> 01:21:32,155 (vocalizing) 1492 01:21:32,288 --> 01:21:33,923 Keep doing that over and over, you know, 1493 01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:36,425 and then finally it just hit me, you know... 1494 01:21:36,492 --> 01:21:38,727 you know, what the song was about. 1495 01:21:38,794 --> 01:21:39,963 And finally just... 1496 01:21:40,063 --> 01:21:42,798 * Even the losers * 1497 01:21:42,898 --> 01:21:45,601 And-and I got the hook... * Get lucky sometime * 1498 01:21:45,668 --> 01:21:48,137 And the whole... and then I added in the little... 1499 01:21:48,237 --> 01:21:51,941 * Keep a little bit of pride * 1500 01:21:52,008 --> 01:21:55,611 * They get lucky sometime * 1501 01:21:55,711 --> 01:21:59,148 And then, you know, then we got excited, went, "All right." 1502 01:21:59,248 --> 01:22:02,318 See, a lot of people wouldn't go to the session without a song, 1503 01:22:02,418 --> 01:22:06,322 which is a pretty strange thing to do, when you think about it, 1504 01:22:06,422 --> 01:22:08,557 is to go to one of these sessions with no song. 1505 01:22:08,657 --> 01:22:12,428 But we just always had this kind of blind faith that it'll come. 1506 01:22:12,495 --> 01:22:14,897 (strumming guitar) 1507 01:22:15,831 --> 01:22:17,633 CROWE: I think the whole beach party idea was 1508 01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:20,469 an outgrowth of this running conversation I had with Tom 1509 01:22:20,569 --> 01:22:23,439 about Elvis Presley and Elvis Presley movies. 1510 01:22:23,506 --> 01:22:26,142 He'd actually met Elvis as a kid on the set of the movie 1511 01:22:26,242 --> 01:22:28,677 Follow That Dream that was filming near his house. 1512 01:22:28,777 --> 01:22:32,648 * He talked and talked, and I heard him say... * 1513 01:22:32,715 --> 01:22:35,051 CROWE: And on the way to the "You Got Lucky" shoot, 1514 01:22:35,184 --> 01:22:37,186 he played "Viva Las Vegas." 1515 01:22:37,286 --> 01:22:40,656 But then he started playing a little-known ballad on guitar, 1516 01:22:40,723 --> 01:22:42,658 "His Latest Flame." 1517 01:22:42,758 --> 01:22:45,028 And this was the most powerful outtake of all, 1518 01:22:45,161 --> 01:22:48,497 because in this moment, you could see all that would come. 1519 01:22:48,597 --> 01:22:50,199 It wasn't just the band. 1520 01:22:50,299 --> 01:22:53,036 There was more coming from Tom himself. 1521 01:22:53,169 --> 01:22:55,304 And soon, the band would grow on the shoulders of 1522 01:22:55,371 --> 01:22:58,841 this more personal style of songwriting that was coming. 1523 01:22:58,941 --> 01:23:03,146 "Kings Highway," "Learning to Fly," "I Won't Back Down," 1524 01:23:03,212 --> 01:23:06,182 I could feel it all coming, sitting there, 1525 01:23:06,249 --> 01:23:08,551 listening to him play this song. 1526 01:23:08,684 --> 01:23:12,588 * Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning * 1527 01:23:13,656 --> 01:23:17,793 * I wished him luck, and then he said goodbye * 1528 01:23:19,028 --> 01:23:23,532 * He was gone, but still his words kept returning * 1529 01:23:23,599 --> 01:23:28,271 * What else was there for me to do but cry? * 1530 01:23:30,939 --> 01:23:33,542 * Would you believe * 1531 01:23:33,609 --> 01:23:35,878 * That yesterday * 1532 01:23:35,944 --> 01:23:39,382 * This girl was in my arms and swore to me * 1533 01:23:39,448 --> 01:23:42,551 * She'd be mine eternally? * 1534 01:23:42,618 --> 01:23:47,523 * And Marie's the name of his latest flame * 1535 01:23:51,394 --> 01:23:55,131 * Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning * 1536 01:23:56,265 --> 01:24:00,436 * And I wished him luck, and then he said goodbye * 1537 01:24:01,737 --> 01:24:06,409 * He was gone, but still his words kept returning * 1538 01:24:06,475 --> 01:24:11,013 * What else was there for me to do but cry? * 1539 01:24:13,682 --> 01:24:18,754 * Would you believe that yesterday * 1540 01:24:18,854 --> 01:24:22,591 * This girl was in my arms and swore to me * 1541 01:24:22,658 --> 01:24:25,461 * She'd be mine eternally? * 1542 01:24:25,561 --> 01:24:30,933 * And Marie's the name of his latest flame * 1543 01:24:30,999 --> 01:24:33,269 (chuckles) Feels good. 1544 01:24:33,369 --> 01:24:38,474 * And Marie's the name of his latest flame * 1545 01:24:38,607 --> 01:24:41,144 * And Marie's the name * 1546 01:24:41,277 --> 01:24:43,912 * Of his latest flame. * 1547 01:24:51,287 --> 01:24:52,955 -(vocalizes softly) -(song ends) 1548 01:24:53,021 --> 01:24:54,957 CROWE: He was the first person to, uh, 1549 01:24:55,057 --> 01:24:57,326 convince me that I could be a director. 1550 01:24:57,426 --> 01:25:00,463 And that scene happens in the Winnebago 1551 01:25:00,563 --> 01:25:03,332 on their way to the "You Got Lucky" video shoot. 1552 01:25:03,466 --> 01:25:06,068 Fast Times at Ridgemont High had come out in August, 1553 01:25:06,169 --> 01:25:08,871 and this was November of the same year. 1554 01:25:08,971 --> 01:25:12,074 And Tom had had a kind of a running conversation with me 1555 01:25:12,175 --> 01:25:15,678 about how, if you have longish hair and you look like Spicoli, 1556 01:25:15,778 --> 01:25:18,381 people assume that you're kind of, like, stupid. 1557 01:25:18,481 --> 01:25:21,817 And he told me, uh, "I have a song called 'I'm Stupid,' 1558 01:25:21,884 --> 01:25:25,154 which is kind of about that, and let's film it." 1559 01:25:25,221 --> 01:25:27,723 And I said, "Well, I'm not a director." 1560 01:25:27,823 --> 01:25:32,328 And he said, "Pick up that camera over there and film me. 1561 01:25:32,428 --> 01:25:34,397 I'll-I'll perform right into the camera." 1562 01:25:34,530 --> 01:25:37,600 * I'm stupid, right on... * 1563 01:25:39,868 --> 01:25:42,838 CROWE: So I remember seeing him through the camera 1564 01:25:42,905 --> 01:25:46,575 and getting this galvanizing feeling of, like, 1565 01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:48,977 this is nothing like being a rock journalist, 1566 01:25:49,044 --> 01:25:51,013 which is what I'd been up until that point. 1567 01:25:51,113 --> 01:25:53,015 This is cutting out the middleman. 1568 01:25:53,081 --> 01:25:57,520 This is the guy coming right at you, giving you his song. 1569 01:25:57,586 --> 01:25:58,821 Right. 1570 01:25:58,887 --> 01:26:01,524 And when it was over, we turned the camera off, 1571 01:26:01,624 --> 01:26:03,626 and he said, "Congratulations, you're a director." 1572 01:26:03,726 --> 01:26:04,927 * I'm stupid * 1573 01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:06,862 OTHERS: * Right on! * 1574 01:26:10,799 --> 01:26:12,268 (song ends) 1575 01:26:12,368 --> 01:26:13,902 TOM: So we're here in the desert. 1576 01:26:14,036 --> 01:26:16,905 I remember one time interviewing you, like, in '78, 1577 01:26:17,005 --> 01:26:20,543 and I said, "How would you adjust to, uh, 1578 01:26:20,609 --> 01:26:24,313 "playing sports arenas and selling lots of records 1579 01:26:24,413 --> 01:26:25,914 and the pressure that comes with it?" 1580 01:26:26,014 --> 01:26:27,950 At the time, you said, "Easily." 1581 01:26:28,083 --> 01:26:30,052 (Tom laughs) 1582 01:26:31,086 --> 01:26:32,721 -How did it happen, actually? -It's... It is... 1583 01:26:32,788 --> 01:26:36,325 It-it's easy on some levels. It-it's usually kind of, uh... 1584 01:26:36,425 --> 01:26:38,761 With me, it's always been... 1585 01:26:38,894 --> 01:26:41,297 It-it's like a-a recurring acid trip or something. 1586 01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:43,932 It just... it hits you later, you know? 1587 01:26:44,066 --> 01:26:45,200 It... 1588 01:26:45,268 --> 01:26:47,035 When it's all happening, there's not time 1589 01:26:47,102 --> 01:26:49,805 to think about it much, and then... 1590 01:26:49,938 --> 01:26:55,344 you can go through that-that kind of deep depression about, 1591 01:26:55,444 --> 01:26:57,280 "Oh, no," you know, "we made it." 1592 01:26:57,380 --> 01:27:01,517 And now it's all, you know, this pressure and... 1593 01:27:03,619 --> 01:27:08,757 And sometimes I wish it wasn't that way, but... 1594 01:27:08,857 --> 01:27:12,395 down deep I know that I do, you know, that I really dig it, 1595 01:27:12,461 --> 01:27:13,796 you know, or I wouldn't do it. 1596 01:27:13,929 --> 01:27:16,932 I'd just... I'd be working at tearing it down 1597 01:27:17,032 --> 01:27:18,467 rather than preserving it 1598 01:27:18,567 --> 01:27:21,136 if I didn't really dig it, you know. 1599 01:27:21,236 --> 01:27:23,339 "Straight into Darkness." 1600 01:27:24,307 --> 01:27:26,208 "Straight into Darkness." 1601 01:27:27,743 --> 01:27:29,778 I think, uh... 1602 01:27:29,845 --> 01:27:33,349 I arrived at the music first on that song. 1603 01:27:34,383 --> 01:27:36,352 And, um... 1604 01:27:36,485 --> 01:27:38,387 Trying to remember. 1605 01:27:39,822 --> 01:27:42,090 And it came really quickly, actually. 1606 01:27:42,157 --> 01:27:43,526 Um... 1607 01:27:45,027 --> 01:27:47,195 I started it late at night 1608 01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:51,066 and, uh, finished at about 7:00 in the morning. 1609 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:53,802 Did you have any feeling when you wrote the last verse 1610 01:27:53,869 --> 01:27:57,473 about, uh, you don't believe the good times are over, 1611 01:27:57,573 --> 01:27:59,141 you don't believe the thrill is all gone? 1612 01:27:59,207 --> 01:28:01,677 Did that... did it feel like something people might 1613 01:28:01,777 --> 01:28:04,046 latch on to and pay a lot of attention to at the time? 1614 01:28:04,179 --> 01:28:06,482 Well, I wasn't thinking about that at the time. 1615 01:28:06,549 --> 01:28:10,519 I'm glad that they have, because I really believe that. 1616 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:16,359 I think that... that you have to accept that, 1617 01:28:16,459 --> 01:28:19,628 uh, you know, the good times aren't over. 1618 01:28:20,563 --> 01:28:23,098 They're not. I mean... 1619 01:28:25,634 --> 01:28:28,270 I'm having a great time right now. 1620 01:28:29,472 --> 01:28:33,175 The thrill's not gone, you know, and-and when it is... 1621 01:28:34,309 --> 01:28:37,380 ...then-then what-what have you got left, you know? 1622 01:28:38,814 --> 01:28:42,685 So that's just, uh, one citizen's viewpoint. 1623 01:28:42,751 --> 01:28:44,887 ("Heartbreakers Beach Party" playing) 1624 01:28:44,987 --> 01:28:46,622 That's right. 1625 01:28:48,123 --> 01:28:51,860 * Heartbreakers beach party * 1626 01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,629 * Yeah! * 1627 01:28:55,831 --> 01:28:59,435 * Heartbreakers beach party * 1628 01:28:59,568 --> 01:29:00,936 * Yeah! * 1629 01:29:02,104 --> 01:29:06,709 * Well, we're gonna have a cookout * 1630 01:29:06,809 --> 01:29:10,879 * We're gonna wear muumuus * 1631 01:29:10,946 --> 01:29:13,482 * We'll have potato salad * 1632 01:29:14,717 --> 01:29:17,653 * A lot of weenies, too * 1633 01:29:18,421 --> 01:29:22,057 * Heartbreakers beach party * 1634 01:29:22,124 --> 01:29:23,291 * Yeah! * 1635 01:29:25,928 --> 01:29:29,231 * Heartbreakers beach party * 1636 01:29:29,297 --> 01:29:30,433 * Yeah! * 1637 01:29:30,533 --> 01:29:31,800 MIKE: The Heartbreakers were 1638 01:29:31,934 --> 01:29:34,302 a band that loved each other 1639 01:29:34,437 --> 01:29:36,739 for the music, not for the fame. 1640 01:29:36,839 --> 01:29:39,274 * Let's dig some clams... * 1641 01:29:39,408 --> 01:29:40,909 (crowd cheering) 1642 01:29:41,009 --> 01:29:43,278 STAN: I got all three wishes, you know. 1643 01:29:43,412 --> 01:29:45,581 I'd like to be a drummer, 1644 01:29:45,681 --> 01:29:48,417 I'd like to be in a great rock and roll band, 1645 01:29:48,484 --> 01:29:50,619 and I'd like to have brothers. 1646 01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:52,421 All three of those things happened. 1647 01:29:52,521 --> 01:29:55,958 That was what that period was like personally for me. 1648 01:29:56,091 --> 01:29:58,060 * Well, we're gonna do the dogs... * 1649 01:29:58,126 --> 01:30:02,097 Fantastic memories and fantastic music. 1650 01:30:03,466 --> 01:30:07,603 BENMONT: We was just kind of a kick-ass little band. 1651 01:30:07,703 --> 01:30:09,805 We were playing at the top of our game. 1652 01:30:09,905 --> 01:30:11,139 It was great. 1653 01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:14,943 * Heartbreakers beach party * 1654 01:30:15,010 --> 01:30:16,278 * Yeah! * 1655 01:30:16,344 --> 01:30:17,813 When you play with the same people 1656 01:30:17,913 --> 01:30:19,582 from when you're very young, you know, 1657 01:30:19,648 --> 01:30:24,419 I deferred to all of those guys as kind of role models. 1658 01:30:24,487 --> 01:30:27,456 I miss that band. 1659 01:30:28,557 --> 01:30:30,893 CROWE: Surely you think about how the Heartbreakers 1660 01:30:30,993 --> 01:30:33,762 might be written about in years to come. 1661 01:30:33,829 --> 01:30:37,032 What is it that makes the music special? 1662 01:30:37,966 --> 01:30:41,036 Boy, man, that's a hard one to answer. Um... 1663 01:30:43,906 --> 01:30:45,808 I don't know it specifically. 1664 01:30:45,874 --> 01:30:48,010 I know that... 1665 01:30:48,143 --> 01:30:51,179 it's just a real good rock and roll band, 1666 01:30:51,279 --> 01:30:52,981 and it's, uh... 1667 01:30:53,081 --> 01:30:57,319 I think that's what's special to us is that that's what we do, 1668 01:30:57,385 --> 01:30:59,622 and that's all we've tried to be over the years. 1669 01:30:59,688 --> 01:31:04,326 And I hope that we would be remembered as that, 1670 01:31:04,392 --> 01:31:06,962 you know, as-as a group that... 1671 01:31:07,029 --> 01:31:10,365 that was good pretty much of the time. 1672 01:31:11,266 --> 01:31:13,536 You know, the-the greatest thing would be if just the records 1673 01:31:13,636 --> 01:31:15,971 keep playing on the radio, would be great. 1674 01:31:16,038 --> 01:31:17,372 You know, I'd love to-to get old 1675 01:31:17,506 --> 01:31:19,842 and still hear these records on the radio. 1676 01:31:19,908 --> 01:31:22,878 Then-then I would feel like it was all worth it. 1677 01:31:22,978 --> 01:31:25,748 (crowd cheering) 1678 01:31:25,848 --> 01:31:29,084 ("Change of Heart" playing) 1679 01:31:34,422 --> 01:31:35,824 * Oh! * 1680 01:31:42,030 --> 01:31:45,400 * Well, I fought for you * 1681 01:31:45,534 --> 01:31:49,872 * I fought too hard * 1682 01:31:49,938 --> 01:31:53,742 * To do it all again, babe * 1683 01:31:53,876 --> 01:31:57,012 * It's gone too far * 1684 01:31:58,413 --> 01:32:00,382 * You never needed me * 1685 01:32:00,448 --> 01:32:04,419 * You only wanted me around * 1686 01:32:04,519 --> 01:32:09,424 * It gets me down * 1687 01:32:09,558 --> 01:32:12,294 * There's been a change * 1688 01:32:12,427 --> 01:32:16,431 * Yeah, there's been a change of heart * 1689 01:32:16,531 --> 01:32:21,069 * Said there's been a change * 1690 01:32:21,169 --> 01:32:23,438 * You push just a little too far * 1691 01:32:23,572 --> 01:32:25,240 * There's been a change * 1692 01:32:25,307 --> 01:32:27,475 * You made it just a little too hard * 1693 01:32:27,576 --> 01:32:29,111 * There's been a change * 1694 01:32:29,211 --> 01:32:31,013 * There's been a change of heart... * 1695 01:32:31,113 --> 01:32:33,682 CROWE: How does Long After Dark sound on the radio these days? 1696 01:32:34,617 --> 01:32:36,418 -What do you think, How? -I think it sounds great. 1697 01:32:36,518 --> 01:32:38,821 -Howie loves it. -Howie loves it. 1698 01:32:40,956 --> 01:32:44,426 * It won't take long * 1699 01:32:44,526 --> 01:32:47,630 * I've stood in your gallery * 1700 01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:51,800 * Seen what's hanging from the walls * 1701 01:32:52,868 --> 01:32:54,436 * You were the moon and sun * 1702 01:32:54,536 --> 01:32:57,806 * You're just a loaded gun now * 1703 01:33:00,542 --> 01:33:03,679 * It gets me down * 1704 01:33:03,779 --> 01:33:07,415 * There's been a change * 1705 01:33:07,482 --> 01:33:10,953 * Yeah, there's been a change of heart * 1706 01:33:11,019 --> 01:33:15,791 * Said there's been a change * 1707 01:33:15,891 --> 01:33:18,360 * You push just a little too far * 1708 01:33:18,493 --> 01:33:21,630 -* There's been a change... * -(song fades) 1709 01:33:21,697 --> 01:33:23,832 * *